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Mike Pence Aiming at 2024?

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It looks to me as though he's trying to paint himself in different colours to his boss, with the publicised vaccination and statements thereafter.

I wonder if he's thinking "Biden was Veep, then President..."

It seems he's been very much in the background until the past couple of weeks and now taking centre stage a bit.
 
The Atheist said:
It looks to me as though he's trying to paint himself in different colours to his boss, with the publicised vaccination and statements thereafter.

I wonder if he's thinking "Biden was Veep, then President..." It seems he's been very much in the background until the past couple of weeks and now taking centre stage a bit.
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It's pretty much a given that almost anyone who is a VP has an ambition to become president. It goes with the territory. Of course, while you have your George H W Bushes, and your Bidens, you also have your Dan Quayles and your Al Gores.

In fact, maybe Dan Quayle is a more appropriate example given that he was VP for a one-term president.

If Trump decides to step down to get pardoned by Pence, then the most appropriate analogue would be the even less promising Gerald Ford.
 
I don't think Pence is quite as inspiring and emotionally intelligent as Trump.

You see something similar in Biden's relationship with Obama.
 
Venom said:
I don't think Pence is quite as inspiring and emotionally intelligent as Trump.

You see something similar in Biden's relationship with Obama.
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I think he was a bone tossed to the Evangelical wing. But I don't think even the Republicans are majority religious loony are they?

What am I talking about? They won't care.
 
Ah, but God told Pence that he would one day be President.
It would be funny if that was going to be true for only 5 minutes so he can pardon Trump...
 
Mike Pence Aiming at 2024?
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Racist Bannon may be thinking of a run at the presidency, but in my opinion he has absolutely no chance of winning it. He may win the republican nomination (especially if its another clown car primary) but he likely won't get anywhere near the white house.



First of all, despite what progressives and berniebros might think, moderates have an advantage in elections. (There are certainly exceptions, but when its a moderate vs. an extremist, the moderate has a better chance at winning.) Pence cannot be considered a moderate (given things like his religious bigotry). On the other hand, Democrats will either have Biden as the candidate, or if he retires, possibly Harris. The only way Pence could take the middle ground is if the 2024 democratic primary is won by the love child of Bernie Sanders and Karl Marx.


Secondly, Pence is kind of in this weird place...He has the Trump stink on him. His time as VP will mean that anyone who hated Trump will be unlikely to vote for him. On the other hand, he doesn't have the con-artist charisma that Trump has, so he may have trouble appealing to many of the MAGAchuds. He can't claim "I'm an outsider/not a politician". He can't lie about being a "successful businessman". No prior career on a TV reality show. About the only things notable about him were being a religious weirdo and having a fly on his head during a debate. So he'll lose some votes and fail to pick up others


About the only thing he could do is bring in some of the evangelical votes that Trump lost between his first and second election. But even if he doesn't lose any of the other MAGAchuds, its unlikely to allow him to bridge the >5 million vote gap between the Democrats and Republicans in 2020.
 
There’s not 80 million Evangelicals in the US and Pence doesn’t have any appeal to anyone else
 
dirtywick said:
There’s not 80 million Evangelicals in the US and Pence doesn’t have any appeal to anyone else
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There are a lot of non-Evangelicals who will vote GOP regardless.

The "Never-Trumpers" and so-called "moderate Republicans" may consider Mike Pence to be someone they can vote for.

IMO Mike Pence stands a decent chance of being elected if he is selected as the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024. IMO it largely depends on how much excitement the Democratic Party candidate can generate because Mike Pence wouldn't generate as much animosity as President Trump.
 
The Don said:
There are a lot of non-Evangelicals who will vote GOP regardless.

The "Never-Trumpers" and so-called "moderate Republicans" may consider Mike Pence to be someone they can vote for.

IMO Mike Pence stands a decent chance of being elected if he is selected as the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024. IMO it largely depends on how much excitement the Democratic Party candidate can generate because Mike Pence wouldn't generate as much animosity as President Trump.
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When they describe a "generic republican" it's literally Mike Pence. I think he dyes his hair stark white simply to give people something, anything to remember about him. He is completely unremarkable in every way. As much as people hated Trump, GOP enthusiasm for Trump could not have been higher. And he still lost two popular votes. And one of them was against Hillary Clinton. and even that was before people hated his guts. Pence can't generate that kind of turnout and Biden can't generate that kind of hate. Pence and enthusiasm cannot exist in the same plane of existence without the universe collapsing in on itself.

the most memorable thing Pence did in the last four years was look sleepy in a chair.
 
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dirtywick said:
When they describe a "generic republican" it's literally Mike Pence. I think he dyes his hair stark white simply to give people something, anything to remember about him. He is completely unremarkable in every way. As much as people hated Trump, GOP enthusiasm for Trump could not have been higher. And he still lost two popular votes. And one of them was against Hillary Clinton. and even that was before people hated his guts. Pence can't generate that kind of turnout and Biden can't generate that kind of hate. Pence and enthusiasm cannot exist in the same plane of existence without the universe collapsing in on itself.

the most memorable thing Pence did in the last four years was look sleepy in a chair.
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You don't necessarily need to be a rock star, a movie star or a reality TV star to win as a Republican. You just need to not be the Commie guy. And who could be less of a Commie than a guy who thinks stem cell research insults the baby Jesus.

Yeah, we get it, he's a charisma vaccuum but does that really matter? Biden and Trump probably won a lot of votes simply by running against opposition that was more hated.

The fact that the Republicans don't even need to win the popular vote means it doesn't matter if more people vote for the other person.
 
I think age is going to play a large factor in 2024. Biden is unlikely to run for a 2nd term; if things go well, Harris is likely to be the presidential candidate.

Similarly, Trump will be old enough that running is doubtful, although I can see a scenario where Trump/Pence run, and if they win, Trump will step down (or die), letting Pence take over, whether by design or accident.

So Harris and Pence have an advantage due to age, Trump and Biden, not so much.
 
The Don said:
There are a lot of non-Evangelicals who will vote GOP regardless.



The "Never-Trumpers" and so-called "moderate Republicans" may consider Mike Pence to be someone they can vote for.
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It's not only never trumpets and "moderate republicans" that Racist Bannon has to win over, but undecideds/independents.

His 4 year association with stubby Mcbonespurs, plus his weird religious leanings (can't be alone with a woman) will keep him from being seen as a moderate to the rest of the electorate.

And even if he does have some appeal to republicans who left the party because of trump, it is likely balanced off by the MAGAchuds who will sit out the election because Pence simply isn't that exciting.


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angrysoba said:
I think he was a bone tossed to the Evangelical wing. But I don't think even the Republicans are majority religious loony are they? What am I talking about? They won't care.
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By all indications, they are majority religious loony indeed.
 
Segnosaur said:
It's not only never trumpets and "moderate republicans" that Racist Bannon has to win over, but undecideds/independents.

His 4 year association with stubby Mcbonespurs, plus his weird religious leanings (can't be alone with a woman) will keep him from being seen as a moderate to the rest of the electorate.

And even if he does have some appeal to republicans who left the party because of trump, it is likely balanced off by the MAGAchuds who will sit out the election because Pence simply isn't that exciting.


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Yes/No/Maybe

Mike Pence "just" needs enough people in the right states to turn out in sufficient numbers to win the Electoral College.

Even though IMO he wasn't a particularly exciting candidate, Joe Biden got an unprecedented number of people to get off their behinds and turn out to vote for him. Crucially in a handful of swing states, he got just enough people to turn out to vote for him.

Joe Biden had the immense benefit of running against a deeply polarising candidate. A lot of people were motivated by voting against President Trump more than they were motivated for voting for Joe Biden.

IMO, even though Mike Pence has a five-year working relationship with President Trump, he doesn't generate anything like the same reaction.

In those key swing states it may not matter than Mike Pence doesn't excite the MAGA crowd just so long as he also doesn't motivate people who aren't that likely to vote to turn out to vote for the Democratic Party candidate.

If he had managed to squeak that handful of swing states, President Trump could have still won the Presidency despite losing the popular vote by well over 6 million votes. Mike Pence's path to the Presidency is likely similar - no real prospect of winning the popular vote but as long as the Democratic Party candidate is boring enough, he could just about squeak the necessary swing states.
 
The Don said:
There are a lot of non-Evangelicals who will vote GOP regardless.

The "Never-Trumpers" and so-called "moderate Republicans" may consider Mike Pence to be someone they can vote for.

IMO Mike Pence stands a decent chance of being elected if he is selected as the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024. IMO it largely depends on how much excitement the Democratic Party candidate can generate because Mike Pence wouldn't generate as much animosity as President Trump.
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Mike Pence will never get the nomination. He is going to preside over the the counting of the votes in the electoral college. He he bangs the gavel, he will have sealed his fate. The Trump wing of the Party will never forgive him for that. This is of course completely irrational. It is what the stupid man-children and self-loathing women who support Trump will do. Their kind aren't good at thinking things through.
 
The Don said:
IMO, even though Mike Pence has a five-year working relationship with President Trump, he doesn't generate anything like the same reaction.
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In those key swing states it may not matter than Mike Pence doesn't excite the MAGA crowd just so long as he also doesn't motivate people who aren't that likely to vote to turn out to vote for the Democratic Party candidate.[/quote]
A non-religious MAGAchud could vote for Trump because "hey, women want to be grabbed by the pussy". Harder for them to justify voting for the religious weirdo who won't even be alone in the same room as a woman.
If he had managed to squeak that handful of swing states, President Trump could have still won the Presidency despite losing the popular vote by well over 6 million votes. Mike Pence's path to the Presidency is likely similar - no real prospect of winning the popular vote but as long as the Democratic Party candidate is boring enough, he could just about squeak the necessary swing states.
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But the thing about swing states is that they have an electorate that can go either Democrat or Republican. A far-right politician will be less enticing to moderate voters in those states (even if they don't have the surname 'Trump') and he doesn't have the charisma to hold on to all the MAGAchuds.
 
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