Mike Huckabee and the war on women

Huckabee said:
women of America [...] cannot control their libido

I always thought that it took a man in there somewhere for pregnancy to be an issue. So, men can control their libidos but women can't? Or is Huckabee saying that it doesn't matter if men can't control their libidos but it's only a problem with women?

I guess we could always ask Pat Robertson's wife who was pregnant when they got married. Nancy Reagan was pregnant too.
 
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Government should not spend money to distribute birth control. Democrats believe people are worst off without subsidized birth control. The truth is without birth control, reasonable adults will not have sex and conceive. Those who do are making an educated choice. How do Democrats go around thinking that people are incapable of making these decisions?

A) This is about a mandate that insurance companies cover birth control prescriptions, not about government spending money to distribute birth control, B) birth control pills are prescribed by doctors for a multitude of health-related reasons, C) being against birth control because you want to encourage responsible sexual behavior is like being against air bags and seat belts because you want to encourage responsible driving, and D) Huckabee and the rest of the GOP were for a birth control insurance mandate before they were against it.
 
I think I can come up with a smarter republican argument off of Huckabee's that makes more sense. It might be fun to discuss.

Government should not spend money to distribute birth control. Democrats believe people are worst off without subsidized birth control. The truth is without birth control, reasonable adults will not have sex and conceive. Those who do are making an educated choice. How do Democrats go around thinking that people are incapable of making these decisions?


As long as you're defining "reasonable" as meaning not conceiving in the absence of birth control, that's tautologically true. Otherwise, it's just an assertion without evidence. Either way, it's entirely useless. People, reasonable or not, need and want birth control. It benefits us all that family planning options be available to women.

Of course people are worse off without birth control being covered by insurance policies. The money saved by forestalling unwanted pregnancy and child bearing is undeniable.

You (or your hypothetical Republican argument) says that Government "should not spend money to distribute birth control." But why not?

And what decisions, exactly, do Dems think people are incapable of making for themselves? Let's connect the dots... Woman wants prescription for birth control. She goes to HR benefits counselor, and asks if it's available under her insurance. Why, of course it is. That's the law. Now, what decision do Dems not think she capable of making?
 
You people are all missing the entire secret subtext behind Republikers position against birth control. They need to make more Republickers. And as we all know, Democrats are all the spawn of the Devil and birth control does not prevent them. The Republikers just want to be on equal ground by making it impossible for Republiker women to avoid getting pregnant.

IXP
 
A) This is about a mandate that insurance companies cover birth control prescriptions, not about government spending money to distribute birth control, B) birth control pills are prescribed by doctors for a multitude of health-related reasons, C) being against birth control because you want to encourage responsible sexual behavior is like being against air bags and seat belts because you want to encourage responsible driving, and D) Huckabee and the rest of the GOP were for a birth control insurance mandate before they were against it.

I like the seatbelt thing because I think does get to the real republican argument. If your end goal is people driving safely, then removing those would achieve that. It will result in more harm when accidents do occur.

I think the abstinence for people who cannot handle children themselves (not ensuring less unwanted children exist) is the end-goal for republicans.
 
I like the seatbelt thing because I think does get to the real republican argument. If your end goal is people driving safely, then removing those would achieve that. It will result in more harm when accidents do occur.

I think the abstinence for people who cannot handle children themselves (not ensuring less unwanted children exist) is the end-goal for republicans.

And they're simply delusional about how to realistically accomplish that?
 
And they're simply delusional about how to realistically accomplish that?

If I follow the reasoning correctly, threatening their future children with poverty is supposed to make the Taker Class think twice about answering the call of nature.
 
If I follow the reasoning correctly, threatening their future children with poverty is supposed to make the Taker Class think twice about answering the call of nature.

It would be true...as they say in economics...on the margin.
 
And they're simply delusional about how to realistically accomplish that?


Yes. Absolutely unequivocally a thousand times yes. Just like they're simply delusional about the realism of so many of their biblically-based ideologies.

My hope is that in the wake of this, "Uncle Sugar" will become Huckabee's Santorum meme; the thing that comes to everyone's mind every time his name is uttered.
 
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The thing that i find funny about this is Huck is using this to raise funds and seems to feel because it played well on Fox it must be allright. Can he actually thing Fox is rereflectice of the political center. You allready have the right wing to win you need to get some of the center.
 
You must love the good news that 55 million (probably democrat) voters have been aborted since roe n wade.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/abortions-toll-of-55-million-called-genocide/

Why on earth would that be good news? You see the abortion issue as one of politics alone?

You seem to not understand that birth control means limiting the number of pregnancies, which translates to the need for fewer abortions. The only effect limiting abortion rights has is to make it less safe, thereby endangering the woman's life.
 
A) This is about a mandate that insurance companies cover birth control prescriptions, not about government spending money to distribute birth control, B) birth control pills are prescribed by doctors for a multitude of health-related reasons, C) being against birth control because you want to encourage responsible sexual behavior is like being against air bags and seat belts because you want to encourage responsible driving, and D) Huckabee and the rest of the GOP were for a birth control insurance mandate before they were against it.

That highlighted section is the misunderstanding that drives so much of the opposition to the insurance requirement (one that Huckabee seems to share, with his "Uncle Sugar coming in and providing them for them a prescription each month for birth control" construction- he should know better). I don't know how many times I've seen "why should the gov't provide your BC?" in comments on other sites; it's aggravating to have to correct a mistake in understanding the issue that's so basic it makes the issue hard to talk about reasonably.

I've also seen the phrasing "why should I have to pay for your BC?" with the implication that it's either through taxes, or through premium costs. It's true that taxes would help those who use the government exchanges in buying insurance to get a plan that might cover BC; but so what? The exchanges help pay for plans that cover any number of other health issues for other folks that some folks would never have to deal with; insurance is a method of spreading risk, and the costs for those risks, among a pool large enough to keep those costs down to acceptable levels; and to argue that you shouldn't have to pay for someone else's needs, either indirectly through taxes or directly through premium costs, is just arguing against the idea of insurance itself. I doubt I'll ever need a mammogram, but it would be ridiculous for me to object to an insurance coverage that I'm part of paying for it for someone who does on such a childishly selfish ground. (Not to mention that, in terms of costs, BC now is certainly cheaper than the costs of pregnancy- prenatal care, the birth itself, etc.- would be later)

It's one thing for someone to argue that they shouldn't have to help at all in paying for insurance for others through a program like Obamacare; I disagree with this position, but at least it's a straightforward, understandable argument. But to narrow the objection down to this one specific part of it- the BC mandate- on such a mistaken (or dishonestly misrepresented) ground certainly smacks a little of misogyny (to say the best of it I can say).
 
I don't want to pay for other peoples contraceptives, but you damn well better pay for my Viagra.

IXP
 
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The thing that i find funny about this is Huck is using this to raise funds and seems to feel because it played well on Fox it must be allright. Can he actually thing Fox is rereflectice of the political center. You allready have the right wing to win you need to get some of the center.

That calls to mind the phrase "echo chamber." If you only ever listen to people who are saying what you've already told them, you'll begin to think that's what everybody is saying (and thinking).
 
Yet another dumb dildo who says something despicable that won't hurt his reelection one iota.
 

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