Mike Huckabee and the war on women

[ponderingturtle]

You made it seem like she climbed over and used this husband (lifted by her stilletos, got him to pay). Why shouldn't a person of means pay for their spouse's continued education. There's nothing unusual about that. So the guy's complaining that she left. For all you know she had a good reason to. Maybe his feet smell.

It just that it looks like the kind of slut-shaming that's going to turn more women to voting for Democrats.

At least no man would ever be criticized for divorcing the BBC woman who put him through school. That is what first wives expect.

 

[Crossbow]

I have noticed for the last couple of years, that every time some Republican talks about sex, they always manage to get it horribly mangled.

A few that come to mind are ...

Rush Limbaugh will provide asprin to women that they can hold in-between their knees.
Women cannot get pregnant if they have been 'legitmately raped'.
Seeking quick sex in airport bathroom stalls.
Trying to fall in love with his wife after being caught cheating on his wife.
...

And so on.

 

[turingtest]

Huckabee:

Quote:
"If the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing them for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it," Huckabee said. "Let's take that discussion all across America."

I guess my question to Huckabee would be why, when it comes to contraception, it's apparently governmental overreach to mandate that insurance must cover it; but, when it comes to abortion, it's not governmental overreach to forbid it. Both things are about "control...[of] their reproductive systems"; why is "the help of the government" not ok for one case if it's mandatory in the other? You can't, with any logical consistency, say that one aspect of women's control of their own reproductive systems is their own business and none of the government's, and then turn right around and take away from women their control over another aspect of the same reproductive system to give to government; you can't demand complete responsibility for one choice and completely take away the choice that responsibility rests on for the other.

 

[A'isha]

Huckabee:

I guess my question to Huckabee would be why, when it comes to contraception, it's apparently governmental overreach to mandate that insurance must cover it; but, when it comes to abortion, it's not governmental overreach to forbid it. Both things are about "control...[of] their reproductive systems"; why is "the help of the government" not ok for one case if it's mandatory in the other? You can't, with any logical consistency, say that one aspect of women's control of their own reproductive systems is their own business and none of the government's, and then turn right around and take away from women their control over another aspect of the same reproductive system to give to government; you can't demand complete responsibility for one choice and completely take away the choice that responsibility rests on for the other.

It makes perfect sense when you remember that, for people like Huckabee, the most important thing is to ensure that women have babies, because that's what women are for.

 

[ravdin]

It's more accurate to say that I don't really care enough in this instance to get worked up about it. Go ahead and complain about it yourself, I won't stop you.

But it's still him ascribing a position to Democrats, not him expressing his own position.

Maybe Mike Huckabee has a point though. I've heard women comment many times that they didn't know where their next slut pill would come from if it wasn't for Uncle Sugar.

 

[tyr_13]

She married a wealthy lawyer who was much older than she was, got him to put her through college and law school (Harvard no less) and then divorced him the day after he made the final payment on her student loans.
Sounds to me like she did pull herself up by her stilettos.

Wow. She must be a really good lawyer then.

 

[Checkmite]

Maybe his feet smell bad enough that she had no choice but to abandon the relationship the moment he was done paying for her law degree, but smell sweet enough that she doesn't mind leaving her children in his custody.

It could happen, I guess.

I've re-read the article several times, and it mentions that he was "granted" custody of the children - which tells me by a judge. There is no data whatsoever on whether or not she "minded" or how she felt about it.

People can separate over honest differences, disagreements, and incompatibilities. Don't let that stop the woman-hating though, I guess.

 

[A'isha]

"Republican War on Women? What Republican War on Women? Oh, and ladies, the only reason you want birth control is because you can't control your libidos and rely on Uncle Sugar to keep the supply of whore pills coming, and by the way, did you know that Wendy Davis is nothing more than a dirty golddigger?"

Yeesh.

 

[pgwenthold]

Oh, right. It's amazing how so much asininity could be stuffed into such a short statement.

Huck and his crew should face facts. The proportion of women who have used birth control is overwhelming. They all know how much it costs. Many, many of them could appreciate, or already do appreciate from experience, how helpful it is to have this expense covered by insurance. Many have had it prescribed for other medical purposes than birth control.

Moreover, the ability to control issues of pregnancy doesn't just benefit women, it benefits all of society (and not just in the way I describe in my snarky comment above). Effective family planning is a great benefit all around, reducing the number of unwanted and poorly cared for children.

 

[coalesce]

Remember Rush's comment about Sandra Fluke, that she "was having so much sex" she "couldn't afford birth control." I don't think they have any clue how birth control works...

How does Rush say "birth control" in the Domincan Republic?

Michael

 

[hgc]

Moreover, the ability to control issues of pregnancy doesn't just benefit women, it benefits all of society (and not just in the way I describe in my snarky comment above). Effective family planning is a great benefit all around, reducing the number of unwanted and poorly cared for children.

I think what they don't like about family planning is that it allows for sexual desire as a legitimate reason for women to have sex. That's at the heart of Huckabee's complaint: They can't control their libidos.

 

[Olowkow]

I think what they don't like about family planning is that it allows for sexual desire as a legitimate reason for women to have sex. That's at the heart of Huckabee's complaint: They can't control their libidos.

My question when hearing this kind of rant is, "Why should anyone want to 'control their libido' in the manner suggested?"

That could be why so many of us non-theists have trouble comprehending why they keep obsessing about sex as if they have no concept of recreational sex. I'm guessing that a lot of these guys either aren't getting enough or they have some sort of malfunction or OCD that they can't bring themselves to seek help for. Instead, they turn it into a feature...the virtue of abstinence.

To me, Huckabee comes across as nuts as Pat Robertson.

 

[varwoche]

She married a wealthy lawyer who was much older than she was, got him to put her through college and law school (Harvard no less) and then divorced him the day after he made the final payment on her student loans.

Sounds to me like she did pull herself up by her stilettos.

"the day after"? Evidence please.

 

[AlBell]

Christian morals. Or traditional values. Or something. I'm not sure.

Being human (or animal) seems enough.

 

[A'isha]

"the day after"? Evidence please.

It's focusing on one particular thing her ex-husband said, and (unsurprisingly) ignoring everything else he said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...ry-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece

When she was accepted to Harvard Law School, Jeff Davis cashed in his 401(k) account and eventually took out a loan to pay for her final year there.

“I was making really good money then, well over six figures,” he said. “But when you’ve got someone at Harvard, you’ve got bills to pay, you’ve got two small kids. The economy itself was marginal. You do what you have to do, no big deal.”

The daughters, then 8 and 2, remained with Jeff Davis in Fort Worth while Wendy Davis was at Harvard.

“Harvard really impressed her with a different culture of energy, really bright young people. That was something she would like to be around. She just enjoys that culture,” Jeff Davis said.

Wendy Davis agreed. “It expanded my perspectives tremendously,” she said. “I went to school with some of the brightest people in the country, and I learned tremendously.”

After she graduated from Harvard in 1993, Wendy Davis started her own law practice and worked with her husband at the title company he founded. They enrolled their younger daughter, Dru, at Fort Worth Country Day School, a prestigious private school.

Jeff Davis had once served on the Fort Worth City Council, and Wendy Davis expressed interest in running for a seat in 1996.

“I opened some doors for her with people, knew how bright she was and knew she’d do a good job,” he said.

She lost in 1996 but ran again two years later and won. The council seats were nonpartisan but in terms of voting, she was a Republican. Davis said she voted in GOP primaries because she supported mayor and congressional candidate Kay Granger, a Republican, and as a lawyer, she wanted to have a say in selecting judicial nominees in a county where the judges were often Republicans.

Over time, the Davises’ marriage was strained. In November 2003, Wendy Davis moved out.

Jeff Davis said that was right around the time the final payment on their Harvard Law School loan was due. “It was ironic,” he said. “I made the last payment, and it was the next day she left.”

Wendy Davis said that as a lawyer, she contributed too.

“I was a vibrant part of contributing to our family finances from the time I graduated to the time we separated in 2003,” she said. “The idea that suddenly there was this instantaneous departure after Jeff had partnered so beautifully with me in putting me through school is just absurd.”

In his initial divorce filing, Jeff Davis said the marriage had failed, citing adultery on her part and conflicts that the couple could not overcome. The final court decree makes no mention of infidelity, granting the divorce solely “on the ground of insupportability.”

Amber was 21 and in college. Dru was in ninth grade. Jeff Davis was awarded parental custody. Wendy Davis was ordered to pay $1,200 a month in child support.

“She did the right thing,” he said. “She said, ‘I think you’re right; you’ll make a good, nurturing father. While I’ve been a good mother, it’s not a good time for me right now.’”

 

[pgwenthold]

My question when hearing this kind of rant is, "Why should anyone want to 'control their libido' in the manner suggested?"

That could be why so many of us non-theists have trouble comprehending why they keep obsessing about sex as if they have no concept of recreational sex. I'm guessing that a lot of these guys either aren't getting enough or they have some sort of malfunction or OCD that they can't bring themselves to seek help for. Instead, they turn it into a feature...the virtue of abstinence.

To me, Huckabee comes across as nuts as Pat Robertson.

Slut shaming. That's it. Sex is bad.

But I'm with you. Who cares if women just want the pill so they can have lots of sex? I'm all down for that, especially since it benefits me (I'd be delighted if my wife thought that more sex would be better).

Oh wait. That's the problem, isn't it?

 

[AlBell]

It makes perfect sense when you remember that, for people like Huckabee, the most important thing is to ensure that women have babies, because that's what women are for.

Next thing you know he'll be advocating burkas, the better to control blood-spatter during executions in soccer stadia for uncorrect advocation of womens rights to, say, education; forget about driving too. This from memory and I have no cites.

But if you are happy with your system asis, so be it.

 

[AlBell]

Moreover, the ability to control issues of pregnancy doesn't just benefit women, it benefits all of society (and not just in the way I describe in my snarky comment above). Effective family planning is a great benefit all around, reducing the number of unwanted and poorly cared for children.

You must love the good news that 55 million (probably democrat) voters have been aborted since roe n wade.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/abortions-toll-of-55-million-called-genocide/

 

[A'isha]

You must love the good news that 55 million (probably democrat) voters have been aborted since roe n wade.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/abortions-toll-of-55-million-called-genocide/

World Net Daily!

 

[BobTheCoward]

I think I can come up with a smarter republican argument off of Huckabee's that makes more sense. It might be fun to discuss.

Government should not spend money to distribute birth control. Democrats believe people are worst off without subsidized birth control. The truth is without birth control, reasonable adults will not have sex and conceive. Those who do are making an educated choice. How do Democrats go around thinking that people are incapable of making these decisions?