Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[likelystory]

Yes, although ultimately the greatest relief from migraines came from a dental device so that I can no longer clench my teeth. All I have left are hormonal migraines. Those are never cured through massage or hot packs or cold packs. Just massive doses of pain killers.

Salicylate Intolerance may be a contributing factor to your migraines including the hormonal ones.. http://www.privatehealthisleofman.com/article-details.aspx?artID=1515

I've got another rotten migraine today. I ate the wrong foods last night. Hot chips and tomatoe sauce.

 

[Cuddles]

Threads merged. The original thread was moderated, but since it has not been active for a while I am taking the merged thread off moderated status. Please remain civil and on topic to ensure it does not end up being put back on again.

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[Trifikas]

My migraines are triggered by allergies and stress. Relief is found only when I pass out due to lack of sleep, or after a marathon session of coital activity.

Oddly, I've heard there might be some merit to this one. A teacher in a health class I took explained that with migraines caused by muscle tension, the endorphins released after a romp 'round the bed relax the muscles in the body, including the ones restricting blood flow in the forehead causing the migraine.

I've not had a migraine, so unfortunatly couldn't ever try it for myself, but maybe some of the folks on the board can test it out...you know...for science...

 

[Senex]

I have a test that even Randi could endorse. Whenever I drink a pint of my local liquor stores' least expensive vodka I get a migraine.

I'll do that and then Anita can do her massage and we can put this issue to rest once and for all.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

My migraines are triggered by allergies and stress. Relief is found only when I pass out due to lack of sleep, or after a marathon session of coital activity.

"It *has* to be tonight, honey. I have a headache."

 

[Fnord]

Oddly, I've heard there might be some merit to this one. A teacher in a health class I took explained that with migraines caused by muscle tension, the endorphins released after a romp 'round the bed relax the muscles in the body, including the ones restricting blood flow in the forehead causing the migraine...

Come to think of it ... Levitra or Viagra might have something to do with it, what with the inherent drop in blood pressure and the relaxation of certain muscles...

 

[sadhatter]

I do not claim that I can heal. Those that I have attempted to heal claim that I have healed them. And so I am open to other opportunities in order to investigate whether the attempted treatment would coincide with improvement in pain again. I am of course ready to falsify the claim.

I have only attempted to heal people three times. Two involved loved ones who were helpless in pain and medicines and conventional options had failed to help them. That is when I had to try something and allowed my "Vision From Feeling", which is when I feel a vibrational landscape around a person only by looking at them but not touching, and based on the detailed images and feeling of tissues and pain I design the two parts of the attempted treatment.

The first part is visualization, in which I work directly in the images that I am perceiving, to remove dark areas that I see in the tissues.

The second part is physical manipulation with my hands at the affected areas. I decide where and how to press or massage based on how I feel will add a balance into what I am perceiving.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

usually i wait till i finish the thread to comment , but this one cannot go for another second.

I do not claim to heal, others claim it for me. What a manipulative huckster you are.

I could ( and have) convinced some online stooges that i have psychic powers and the like as well. Its not hard and its not hard to manipulate these desperate people to do your claiming for you.

From the information and postings you make i would assume you have little to no shame. And that is only because i don't think that shame can go into negative integers.

 

[desertgal]

I do not claim to heal, others claim it for me.

Actually, it is: "I do not claim to heal, I claim that one unnamed other really, really says that I do, and even though I don't believe him, I cannot get him to admit to a lie."

 

[sadhatter]

Actually, it is: "I do not claim to heal, I claim that one unnamed other really, really says that I do, and even though I don't believe him, I cannot get him to admit to a lie."

Edited by Lisa Simpson: 

Edited to remove personal remarks.

Vision, your methods are cellophane clear, i really wish i had more to say, but you are the typical huckster, nothing really different or special, just the same as every other huckster out there. I would suggest at least working up an original claim of a power so that you can get attention beyond us skeptics rolling our eyes. I mean at least make it somewhat interesting for your marks.

 

[bookitty]

Oddly, I've heard there might be some merit to this one. A teacher in a health class I took explained that with migraines caused by muscle tension, the endorphins released after a romp 'round the bed relax the muscles in the body, including the ones restricting blood flow in the forehead causing the migraine.

I've not had a migraine, so unfortunatly couldn't ever try it for myself, but maybe some of the folks on the board can test it out...you know...for science...

It sounds good but it's so hard to feel sexy when you're crawling to the bathroom with your eyes shut.

 

[Fnord]

It sounds good but it's so hard to feel sexy when you're crawling to the bathroom with your eyes shut.

But how does it look to your partner?

 

[bookitty]

But how does it look to your partner?

In the abstract, he might find the view pleasant. In real life, the death threats muttered between heaves might prove distracting.

Twice now, I've managed to avoid a migraine by giving myself an ice-cream headache (the brief flashing pain that comes from freezing your upper palate with very cold food or beverage). The "science" behind that says that it works by contracting and then releasing the capillaries in the sinuses which gives the same rush of blood to the brain you find with Imetrex.

Then again, my mom started getting aura-only migraines during perimenopause. I am 44. There is very good possibility that the brain freeze didn't stop a migraine, instead I was lucky enough to have the less painful variety.

Which is only one of the gazzillion reasons why, as UY has pointed out, migraines treatments are so incredibly difficult to test. So many variables.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

So correct me if I'm wrong here... VfF now claims she has the paranormal ability to...wait for migraines to go away.

Correcting you since you're wrong... a man who received a migraine treatment from me is claiming that he experienced immediate and significant improvement in his migraine condition, that he attributes to what I did.

 

[Farencue]

Correcting you since you're wrong... a man who received a migraine treatment from me is claiming that he experienced immediate and significant improvement in his migraine condition, that he attributes to what I did.

For what it is worth, I don't think you are wrong at all Zep, it appears you may be somewhat skeptical of VFF, as we all should be.
After all, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
In this case, any shred of evidence of the existence of this male, previously suicidal person suffering 3-4 migraines per week, or indeed evidence of this alleged person's claim, would be a start.
As I can confidently predict that no evidence will be forthcoming amongst the walls of text likely to be produced, your observation stands unchallenged by evidence to the contrary.

 

[desertgal]

So correct me if I'm wrong here...

VfF now claims she has the paranormal ability to...wait for migraines to go away.

Yeah. That's pretty much all there is to it.

 

[Mirrorglass]

Correcting you since you're wrong... a man who received a migraine treatment from me is claiming that he experienced immediate and significant improvement in his migraine condition, that he attributes to what I did.

Have you heard of B.F.Skinners tests on classical conditioning, namely the one examining superstition in the pigeon?

Basically, when pigeons are given a positive stimulus, for example food, at completely random times, they quickly learn to associate the stimulus with whatever they were doing at the time. Some will end up bobbing their heads, some pecking the floor, some making noises. None of them are right about what actually caused the desirable effect, but they won't stop the head-bobbing.

And that's exactly what you've got here. You have a single man, who experienced an improvement in his condition at around the same time he received "treatment" from you, and who associated these with each other. This is about as far from scientific proof as you can get. Men may be somewhat smarter than pigeons, but in this case, the opinion of a single man is only marginally more believable than that of a single pigeon. And that's assuming this man really exists.

So don't try to claim you're doing all this because you believe you've found an ability to help mankind. If you have any understanding of the scientific method, or even common sense, you should see that a single man's opinion does not outweigh the masses of evidence that show your abilities do not work. What you are doing is desperately looking for fragments of evidence that support your self-image as a psychic and ignoring all that don't.

I can relate to you in that it's hard to accept the powers you believe you have aren't real. It's difficult for everyone to accept we aren't quite as great as we thought we were. But self-deception isn't the right way. If you continue down this path, all you'll have at the end of the day is a bunch of useless claims that are easily disproved if you dare put them to test. A healthy self doesn't stem from seeking supernatural claim after another, it comes from pursuing something that actually works.

You've said you want to be a doctor? Then forget supernatural powers that come to you without effort, and study. Accept you'll never be sure of your abilities, and concentrate instead on forever improving them, in ways that can be clearly seen by you and others. This nonsense about your "Vision from feeling" isn't doing any good to anyone, least of all yourself.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Anita's claims are not about bringing immediate relief to a current migraine.

This is not my claim, this is a claim made by someone who received a treatment from me, and my main interest is to use this as an exercise to falsify a claim of woo healing. And the claim does involve inducing immediate relief. Why are you always so wrong, UncaYimmy? *sigh*

Migraines come and go. It takes a lot of people tracking migraines for a period of time to know if something works or not like in this study on gabapentin or this one on topiramate. It's foolish to look for a "volunteer" to study something even if it were a real medicine. To consider such a "test" for something as foolish as this claim is pointless at best.

Thank you for those references, they will be useful. No UncaYimmy, due to the difficulty in finding many volunteers for this study and the complications with legal matters and liability insurance, I thought it best to just start with one or a few more volunteers, maybe from among you Skeptics. The apparent trend among those few can point me in the right direction, since... *take a deep breath, say it again*

If there is significant coinciding improvement in a statistically significant majority of these few volunteers, it does not provide evidence in favor of the claim as all of those could be brought about by coincidences and other factors, BUT provides incentive to proceed with further study and more volunteers.

If there is no such significant coinciding improvement in a statistically significant majority of these few volunteers (don't worry I'm learning to use copy and paste for when I have to answer the same questions many times over) then it shows that the treatment method could not possibly have been effective, as the criteria I have placed upon this claim is that improvement must set in immediately, and not in some undefined time in the future, because a late effect then vanishes into all the other influences on migraines and becomes impossible to attribute to this treatment let alone to any other factor.

So that simplifies things! If you were a woo, you could say that improvement could set in later, but since this is not my claim and I am the skeptical investigator in this I will be firm and say that it must set in immediately or it is useless nonsense and nobody cares to investigate such a claim.

Oh, I'm done. No more UncaYimmy quotes for now. Phew. Who's next...

 

[bookitty]

You're leaving out an option - Migraines get worse.

It's like the study they did to see if pot helped nausea. Most people reported some improvement, some had no change and for some the nausea was worse.

I don't know a single migraine sufferer who would want to risk getting worse or more frequent migraines. Your explanation is that you are doing something inside the brain that you can't understand. Scary stuff. I like my brains, they aren't the best but they are the only option at this time. I certainly wouldn't want someone doing something inexplicable to them.

Perhaps it is time to back up a bit. Try to design a test of your claim that explains your abilities as a whole. Not just this or that application of it. A simple streamlined test that allows you to explore things without all the hullabaloo of test subjects.

 

[GeeMack]

Correcting you since you're wrong... a man who received a migraine treatment from me is claiming that he experienced immediate and significant improvement in his migraine condition, that he attributes to what I did.

What an idiot he is, don't you think?

 

[desertgal]

What an idiot he is, don't you think?

Course, there's always the consideration that he's just saying there is an improvement so Anita will leave him alone.