And what university are you working at again...? Was it something prestigeous as Duke? Do they know that you make false assumptions based on your own prejudice and that you state those as fact? Please don't work for the science department, I was thinking of applying to Duke. Please work for Accounting or something far and distant like that! ... Art appreciation. Basket weaving.
I am not doing this for attention. I am doing this to help these. Anyone who reads something like that puts themselves entirely aside, and don't you dare suggest that I do not.
Ooh, I am such a terrible person because I want to help people! Quick! Stop me!
Tests administered by myself were involved in a study to map out the boundaries of what my claim can do in order to design the best possible test protocol. Don't they do this at Duke?
You volunteered and then when we were having a conversation in PM you wanted us to post in the public Forum. Besides there was nothing of a personal nature in those PM's other than several comments made by you that showed some unflattering aspects of yourself in terms of being some skeptic or academic. Oh, and you also came across as rude, so I do understand that you considered our correspondence to be private.
Why not volunteer for a free half an hour head and neck massage? I will buy you a cup of coffee for your trouble, I am sure the whole experience would be quite pleasant. I happen to be rather good at massage. The worst thing that could happen is that your migraines become better, and at best it doesn't work and you can say all you want about it being a falsified claim. And no, I did not get those mixed up. I know what would make this person happy.
... Liberal Studies...
It's a waste of time. It's like flipping a coin a five times and drawing a conclusion about whether you can influence whether it is heads or tails.
That's a contradiction in terms.
I fixed it for you. You cannot see inside a person's head unless you cut or otherwise break it open. Pretending you are "sending light" into a person's brain cannot possibly ever no matter what fantasies you have have any possible effect. Period. End of discussion.
Quite the assumption.
And you refuse to accept the most basic principal in scientific research; ie. the scientific method. Ironic eh? And no, I won't point out where you have done so as it is obvious to all but the most intellectually dishonest.
The man immediately went from a long history of 12 migraines a month to 2. For years his migraines had been gradually getting worse. He also experienced immediate relief during the treatment session and of a kind he says he has not had before. There was no waiting involved. And if it is a placebo, wonderful. If it works, I hope I can do it again. Who cares what it is. All that matters is if it works.
How absolutely rude of you to make that assumption. If I were inclined to such things, you would not find me in a Skeptical Forum. I would be out there practicing illegit psychic healings and charging big money for them and getting away with it, and I would show none of the concern for legal matters, liability, and testing those claims, as I do here. It is a tragedy that you will attack the one and only who has come across this issue of woo healing and is willing to produce an example of falsified such woo and to use this as a valuable learning experience and teaching tool about claims and beliefs of woo, meanwhile there are fraud practitioners out there, many of which you could find and challenge, but you choose to attack me, and when your arguments fail, since I am not what you think I should be, you go to silly accusations such as liar or attention seeking.
Brilliant example, I'm glad someone in here is thinking rather than just arguing by trying to attack with personal insults. I hope you do stay, I'm sure you can be one of the most conductive of critical thinkers here. This is a very intelligent comment, unfortunately I am the one who would be acting like the pigeon, not the man. I do feel that the visualization is something silly like that, however I would still like to test that to convince myself that it does not work and to settle my curiosity. The reason for that is that as soon as I had finished my visualization, the man said the compression across his forehead was gone. He did not know what I was doing, and he says this symptom of compression has never receded before. So, even if it is as silly as pigeons, in this case I would like to try it out.
I invite any of you to step up and be willing to e-mail and/or call to this person and have a friendly but skeptical chat with him about what took place and how he came to interpret that and why.
I have never made that claim. I do not believe that any of this works, yet I want to confirm that, just in case. If it works, I have found a way to help migraine sufferers, and if it fails, I have an interesting case of falsified woo to write about. I would be happy with either outcome.
We have no evidence that I can not offer an effective treatment against migraines. All we have is one man who insists that it not only worked, but that it worked really well. If you have an understanding of the scientific method, you would encourage a simple test where the same method is attempted again and offered to demonstrate that it does not work.
I have no suggestion for how to deal with the risk that what I do would make a person worse. Although it sounds dreadful to say so, all I can say is that I find it unlikely that my method makes a person worse. It is like throwing ice onto fire and worrying about whether the ice might make the fire hotter. What I do is soothing, and I can not imagine it making things worse. I also see no way to test this without human subjects.
Before investing in any kind of larger scale test of this, I would want to offer it the chance to be falsified in a quick and simple preliminary test involving only a few subjects, and without any emphasis on what would support this claim.
The migraine that was already developing when we met, did occur that same night, but after that only two additional new ones appeared each month. Also, the migraine which he did experience that same night of the treatment, he reports as having been milder than previous ones had been for a long time. And I do call that immediate relief.
No sir it is not. In a coin toss experiment we could consider either of the two binary results as being of interest, whereas here we only want one type of result: improvement.
Mr. Carr please stay focused here. Whether or not I can see inside a head is not relevant, nor anything about sending light. All that matters is whether any interesting results are acchieved, and the method behind it would not matter unless an ability is confirmed first and we choose to investigate that method in order to learn more about it at a later time, but not now.
I am asking for Skeptics with migraines to volunteer for this test of this treatment. And since you brought it up, if one of you could contact this man whose claim this is to confirm that he is in fact an actual person and that he presents this claim, whether he is a paid actor or genuine. As for test procedure I think there is nothing more to say. I try the method and if volunteers feel better I proceed without any assumption that this works, and if volunteers do not feel better all is falsified and over and we can all go home.
Silly excuse? Prior to that you had threatened me with lawsuits. You had threatened to call the police. You had accused me of sexual harassment. When I offered to help you, you crapped on me with this alleged "joke" about harassment. I am not going to get into harassment here. There's a thread on www.StopVisionFromFeeling.com that describes it in detail.
Please. Anyone else here who wants to volunteer to write to the man and maybe even call him to hear the story from him for yourself, and then come back here and share with us what you learned? I promise, I won't jokingly accuse you of stalking, so it is ok, you can go ahead!
Huh? Why would I offer to call a stranger to confirm yet another story of your abilities being a fantasy? Why would anyone think you are lying about not being able to do something science says is impossible?
The lies never stop. Lisa Simpson likened your ability to a massage or a pill to bring immediate relief to a migraine. I corrected her by writing the following:
Whoosh! It went right over your head. The point is that no matter what, five coin tosses cannot tell us anything statistically significant. Likewise, a handful of people in a "study" about migraine treatment cannot tell us anything statistically significant no matter how long you run it.
Of course it is relevant. You said you see dark areas, "treat" them, then see them as healed, which is confirmation that the treatment worked. You also pointed out that the areas didn't seem completely healed, so you need to do more treatments. It's entirely relevant.
If you want interesting results, buy some lab rats. See if you can kill them with your mind. If that's too harsh, pick something else. While you claim not to be human, that does not give you the right to treat us as lab rats.
Then I assume this will be your last post on the subject? You've asked for volunteers, so sit back and wait. I'm sure you'll get just as many volunteers as you have in the last 18 months.
Scientific research allows for a quick and simple test to demonstrate a claim as falsified rather than for people [you] to assume a claim as falsified just based on assertion.
If I am beginning to attempt a migraine healing, but then before I begin I say "No, I can not do this today. I am far too tired, I am sorry, I can not try the method right now. Can we get together at a later time when I feel that I can try to do this?" [trial 3 of the kidney detection test was such]. Or if immediately after attempting the treatment and before receiving any feedback I say, "This did not feel right. I do not think I was able to do what I tried to do, so we will have to try again, because it didn't work this time." [trial 1 of the kidney detection test].
