Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[desertgal]

No! LightinDarkness specifically asked us to share any involvement between us regarding an attempted migraine treatment in the public Forum! He/she is the one who did not want us to discuss it in private messages!

And as soon as LightinDarkness announced to me that he/she had changed his/her mind about making the communication public, I respected that and promptly removed the PM messages from my website. If LightinDarkness is now asking that all references to his/her person be removed from my website as well, I will of course abide by that. But note that this reflects a change in his/her original intent.

LiD has already specifically requested that you remove any reference to him from your website. In fact, he's requested it more than once. How many more times does he have to request it for you to actually comply?

Not to sound childish or anything, but several Forum Skeptics, including but not limited to Ashles and desertgal, have posted content from my PM's to them where I specifically asked them not to post any in the public Forum. Where I had sent them PM's to answer questions they would not stop asking, that I was not comfortable with answering publicly, but still wanted to be nice enough to answer them individually. And that was not respected. Oh well.

Please. The only reason you PM'd me was to try and scam me out of $10,000 with some delusional story about being able to survive without food or water for more than a week without suffering any ill effects. Considering that you posted my screen name without my consent and the contents of certain posts I made here on your website, to attack me on the basis of openly confessing to having a mental disorder, over an issue that you continue to lie about, meant that you deserve the same consideration.

If Skeptics were objective to say that there is no evidence and they can not take what I have said as truth that would be fine. But they are insisting that I am lying and that it never happened. Meanwhile I know it happened, so I can not change my statement.

Fine. There is no evidence to support any of your claims-and a great deal of evidence which proves that at least some of them are complete fiction, such as your Ben Franklin story-so we cannot take anything you say as truth.

That is what the mess is about.

No. This mess is about you jerking people here around by repeatedly introducing new claims on top of old claims and providing absolutely nothing beyond anecdotal evidence to support them, and then having a hissy fit when people didn't accept your claims as the absolute truth. "I really really really did" is not proof.

This mess is about you jerking people here around repeatedly by requesting help with test protocols and then either rejecting all that were offered, or altering them so they were completely useless.

This mess is about you jerking people here around by refusing to objectively look at your claims and refusing to rule out every logical and rational explanation for them, while pretending that you are undertaking a scientific investigation of them.

This mess is about you jerking people here around by introducing several eminently and easily testable claims that could easily prove/disprove that you have any sort of sooper power, and then refusing to discuss them further in favor of claims that are virtually untestable. If you didn't want them discussed, then you shouldn't have introduced them.

This mess is about you jerking people here around by claiming all these magical powers, refusing to test them, and then resorting to "well, it's just synesthesia" - without being to willing to actually go to a doctor and confirm that.

This mess is about you jerking people here around to participate in experiments that are not only fantasy, but, if they did have a grain of truth to them, are completely unethical and risky.

This mess is about you jerking people here around while you pretend to have some paranormal ability to cure migraines, and then change your story to offering simple massages which you claim will cure a person of lifelong patterns of migraine. Ridiculous, and hardly paranormal.

This mess is about you jerking people here around period, in favor of being an attention whore.

I truly doubt anyone here is impatient to see you perform a test, because everyone here, judging by their posts, knows you aren't going to. Most people don't get impatient for something that they know will never happen.

 

[LightinDarkness]

LiD stated in posts #2 and #27 of this thread that you did not have permission to post his/her personal information on your website; and specifically requested that you remove all such references in post #29, dated 26th August. That you have not done so is yet another demonstration of your inability to understand other people's feelings.

Personally, I have always found that deliciously ironic.

Oh, and Anita: No one is going to have patience for someone who has consistently done everything possible to distract, derail, and obfuscate the evidence that their claims have no basis in reality. Years after first posting on this board, you are no further to providing any real testing evidence than you were then. And you never will be - because you know were you seriously tested that the results would show (as they have thus far) that you have no superpowers.

 

[bookitty]

Speaking of the migraine test, VFF offered to "treat" my migraines. In response, I asked a simple questions. "What if the migraines get worse after treatment?"

Still no answer.

 

[fromdownunder]

Be patient then and let me have the test and you will get your evidence! Your impatience should not turn into hostility! Whether it takes me a day or a month or several months to study my claim to reach a specific claim and to design a test protocol for myself should not make any difference in the way that I am treated by people such as you! Patience! I'm not making all of this up from my own mind, the claim is based on experiences, and evidence will be based on testing!

But you know what can solve that cynicism? Instantly? Patience!

ETA: Patience! Patience! Patience! Patience!

You have already said on this thread that you gave the protocol and time and date of your kidney test to IIG, now you are asking us to be patient, and that you may take months to do all this.

Which time were you lying? Or have you lost it so badly, that you are simply now lying to yourself and don't even realise it?

Norm

 

[Apology]

ETA: Patience! Patience! Patience! Patience!

We skeptics are going to need a lot of this, because your claims are a giant load of :
Nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

LiD has already specifically requested that you remove any reference to him from your website. In fact, he's requested it more than once. How many more times does he have to request it for you to actually comply?

All references to LightinDarkness' name have now been removed from my website. I have kept a general statement of how it was almost arranged that I could meet with a Skeptic and attempt the migraine treatment. Or should I remove that? How about one of you write my entire website. UncaYimmy did once try to talk me into giving him ownership and access to my website www.visionfromfeeling.com.

Please. The only reason you PM'd me was to try and scam me out of $10,000 with some delusional story about being able to survive without food or water for more than a week without suffering any ill effects. Considering that you posted my screen name without my consent and the contents of certain posts I made here on your website, to attack me on the basis of openly confessing to having a mental disorder, over an issue that you continue to lie about, meant that you deserve the same consideration.

DESERTGAL!!!!!!!!!!! YOU said that you would give me $10,000 if I could prove that I can survive a week without a drop of food or water! And here you are making it sound as if I was asking you for a money offer! The reason I posted about this subject in a PM instead of publicly, is because I do not want anyone to be encouraged to try to go on without food or water thinking that they can do it.

Which is worse, desertgal? To say that someone is schizophrenic because they have the official diagnose and have themselves openly shared that diagnose before... or to CONSTANTLY accuse someone of being schizophrenic and delusional when they do not have an official diagnose of that and all it is is speculation? I mean, you keep constantly accusing me of being delusional and what not, when I do not even have that diagnose. When I point out about your diagnose it is not to put you down or to have anything against you, but to exemplify that why are you calling me crazy?

Desertgal, I have nothing against you personally but I do wish you could see that some of your bickering does seem to stem from your own complications.

Fine. There is no evidence to support any of your claims-and a great deal of evidence which proves that at least some of them are complete fiction, such as your Ben Franklin story, so we cannot take anything you say as truth.

I have not submitted that to a paranormal investigation and I have no interest in finding out whether that is true or not. Hence in the absence of supporting evidence I assume it to not be true.

No. This mess is about you jerking people here around by repeatedly introducing new claims on top of old claims and providing absolutely nothing beyond anecdotal evidence to support them, and then having a hissy fit when people didn't accept your claims as the absolute truth. "I really really really did" is not proof.

There are no new claims (other than for the migraine healing). The main claim is and always has been medical perceptions and that claim is going to be tested very soon. People here are very often trying to get me to test something else that I either can not do or am not interested in testing, such as remote viewing.

OF COURSE "I really, really saw that the left kidney was missing!" is not proof! All I am asking is that you allow me to believe that it happened and stop demanding that I somehow admit that it never happened simply because of your disbelief. It did happen, you know? You don't have to believe that, but I believe it, so I will test that claim. And all I am asking is that you allow that I have that belief and claim and that I will proceed to testing it.

This mess is about you jerking people here around repeatedly by requesting help with test protocols and then either rejecting all that were offered, or altering them so they were completely useless.

Actually desertgal, I have extracted lots of useful information that has helped me to submit a test protocol to the IIG.

This mess is about you jerking people here around by refusing to objectively look at your claims and refusing to rule out every logical and rational explanation for them, while pretending that you are undertaking a scientific investigation of them.

If I fail the IIG test the claim is falsified and I will be proud to admit that. It is just that when Skeptics here say that no I didn't detect the missing kidney in Dr. Carlson you are expecting me to change my version of what happened. If you were objective you would realize that you have no evidence that I did not detect the missing kidney. So let's just wait for the results from the IIG test, then both sides can agree to the outcome.

This mess is about you jerking people here around by introducing several eminently and easily testable claims that could easily prove/disprove that you have any sort of sooper power, and then refusing to discuss them further in favor of claims that are virtually untestable. If you didn't want them discussed, then you shouldn't have introduced them.

They were mentioned on my website where I discuss things around the main claim. If the main claim is falsified then all subordinate claims fall down with it.

This mess is about you jerking people here around period, in favor of being an attention whore.

I'm not here for attention. Like I already said, I was able to put together a really good test protocol draft thanks to suggestions from Forum Skeptics.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Oh, and Anita: No one is going to have patience for someone who has consistently done everything possible to distract, derail, and obfuscate the evidence that their claims have no basis in reality. Years after first posting on this board, you are no further to providing any real testing evidence than you were then. And you never will be - because you know were you seriously tested that the results would show (as they have thus far) that you have no superpowers.

On the contrary you will see that I have wholeheartedly committed to every single offer given to me of testing either my main claim medical perceptions or the claim of healing migraines. Even you made me such an offer one time, and you saw how devoted I was to making it happen. In fact, your offer would be very easy to follow through. Only that you, not I, make excuses to not make it happen. The kidney test will happen soon. And I've only been posting on the JREF Forums since November last year, so that makes it less than a year ago, rather than years.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Speaking of the migraine test, VFF offered to "treat" my migraines. In response, I asked a simple questions. "What if the migraines get worse after treatment?"

Still no answer.

There is no way of proving that your migraines got worse because of what I did simply because the time coincided with the time of the att. treatment, just like there is no way of proving that your migraines got better because of what I did simply because the time coincided with the time of the att. treatment.

That is why an attempt to produce any evidence toward an ability to improve migraine condition would rely on several repeated attempts and with several different people to see whether there is a consistent similar effect among a significant number of the persons.

 

[bookitty]

There is no way of proving that your migraines got worse because of what I did simply because the time coincided with the time of the att. treatment, just like there is no way of proving that your migraines got better because of what I did simply because the time coincided with the time of the att. treatment.

So you are claiming that one test shows noticeable improvement. (yes, you have over many, many threads) but that a negative response is mere chance.

So why would you expect any one to take that chance? Why can't you see that asking people to subject themselves to an untested treatment is wrong.

It doesn't matter if you have no ability. You need to get away from the idea that people only exist for your glorification. This entitlement oozes through everything you say like a bad smell.

It is behind your derailments, the stalling and your inability to understand any other point of view. Please stop parroting and start thinking.

 

[GeeMack]

On the contrary you will see that I have wholeheartedly committed to every single offer given to me of testing either my main claim medical perceptions or the claim of healing migraines.

That is a flat out lie.

Even you made me such an offer one time, and you saw how devoted I was to making it happen. In fact, your offer would be very easy to follow through. Only that you, not I, make excuses to not make it happen.

You've done nothing wholeheartedly, except to avoid every conceivable opportunity you've been given to test any of your bizarre claims. You've made no commitments other than the commitment to add new and bizarre unsupportable claims to your list. Your only devotion is to yourself and your effort to garner more attention. And your list of excuses for not performing any tests is a mile long and goes back to the first day you darkened the doorstep of the JREF Forums.

The kidney test will happen soon.

No, Anita, it will not happen because you don't want it to happen.

And I've only been posting on the JREF Forums since November last year, so that makes it less than a year ago, rather than years.

And you've avoided like the plague any kind of testing since that very first day. Not only have you avoided testing your bogus claims, you've avoided testing for the common, mundane possibilities that would easily explain your experiences. If you were truly scientifically concerned, you'd acknowledge that the possibility exists that you're seriously mentally ill. Why haven't you had that tested, yet? Even in your denial you'd have to admit that it could explain every experience you claim and your inability to realize you're a habitual liar.

And of course the possibility also exists that you are fully aware of your lies and that your deceit is intentional, in which case...

Feel free to apply skepticism and call me a liar and a fraud.

... you're a liar and a fraud.

 

[fromdownunder]

There are no new claims (other than for the migraine healing).

You just cannot help yourself can you? This is another flat out lie - you recently claimed to be able to detect a diaphram.

Norm

 

[desertgal]

All references to LightinDarkness' name have now been removed from my website. I have kept a general statement of how it was almost arranged that I could meet with a Skeptic and attempt the migraine treatment. Or should I remove that? How about one of you write my entire website. UncaYimmy did once try to talk me into giving him ownership and access to my website www.visionfromfeeling.com.

Oh, stop with the self pity. If someone asks you to remove their screen name from your website, regardless of the circumstances, you do it. It's simple courtesy. As for the statement about UncaYimmy, you've misrepresented what other people have said to you before, so I have no idea if that is true,and don't particularly care.

ETA: And, oh, look. Anita's statement is not quite accurate. I'm shocked.

DESERTGAL!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU said that you would give me $10,000 if I could prove that I can survive a week without a drop of food or water! And here you are making it sound as if I was asking you for a money offer! The reason I posted about this subject in a PM instead of publicly, is because I do not want anyone to be encouraged to try to go on without food or water thinking that they can do it.

[mocking]VISIONFROMFEELING!!!!!!!!!!![/mocking]

Spare me. You had ALREADY posted about it publicly, in a five year old thread that you revived specifically for that purpose. And. please, spare us, as well, the story about how you were responding to a previous poster's claim that human beings can only go four days without water. The previous poster was citing an old adage, not specifically stating that that particular rule of thumb applies to every human being.

I know exactly why you sent me that PM, and you can protest otherwise as much as you like.

Which is worse, desertgal? To say that someone is schizophrenic because they have the official diagnose and have themselves openly shared that diagnose before... or to CONSTANTLY accuse someone of being schizophrenic and delusional when they do not have an official diagnose of that and all it is is speculation? I mean, you keep constantly accusing me of being delusional and what not, when I do not even have that diagnose. When I point out about your diagnose it is not to put you down or to have anything against you, but to exemplify that why are you calling me crazy?

I never called you schizophrenic, and I never said that I am schizophrenic. What part of "I retract my belief that VisionFromFeeling suffers from schizotypal disorder", which I have now said about sixteen times, do you not understand?

I believe you are delusional on the basis of your many claims here, which appear to be delusional. I believe you suffer from some level of narcissistic personality disorder. That's my belief.

I'm not the one on here making extraordinary claims without providing the slightest bit of evidence. You claim you are not delusional, or narcissistic, yet you refuse to confirm that with either proof that even your simplest claims are true, or with a diagnosis from a qualified mental health professional.

You claim to be objectively and scientifically investigating these claims of yours, yet this is just another example of how you refuse to rule out logical and rational explanations for your claims. Which points to you either being delusional, or simply running a cold blooded scam.

Desertgal, I have nothing against you personally but I do wish you could see that some of your bickering does seem to stem from your own complications.

I don't see it because it isn't true. After 32 years of treatment, I have successfully overcome my "complications"-and that was the reason I initially shared my experience with you, so you could see that such a diagnosis does not spell the end to a happy, productive, fulfilling life.

But, there are people who equate personality disorders with "being crazy" and something derogatory, which, I see, includes you. But, for the record, even though you haven't granted me the same courtesy, I have never called you crazy, and I defy you to find where I said that. That is not a term I use, mainly because I understand the difference.

I know exactly why you put my posts on your website, and you can protest otherwise as much as you like.

I have not submitted that to a paranormal investigation and I have no interest in finding out whether that is true or not. Hence in the absence of supporting evidence I assume it to not be true.

Another dodge: how could you possibly 'submit that to a paranormal investigation'? However, you assume correctly, based on facts, not a 'paranormal investigation'. And it is a perfect example of why people don't believe you. Same with your experiences of Revolutionary War Ghosts, and your claims of 'perceiving' significant biological differences between races. It's all hooey, and, unlike you, I have provided proof that it is all hooey.

There are no new claims (other than for the migraine healing).

I wasn't talking about new claims.

The main claim is and always has been medical perceptions and that claim is going to be tested very soon. People here are very often trying to get me to test something else that I either can not do or am not interested in testing, such as remote viewing.

Nonsense. People here have repeatedly tried to get you to test claims that YOU have made. If you had just wanted to test your "main" claim (and, of course, you would, since the simpler claims could be easily disproven), then you have only yourself to blame for bringing the others up.

OF COURSE "I really, really saw that the left kidney was missing!" is not proof! All I am asking is that you allow me to believe that it happened and stop demanding that I somehow admit that it never happened simply because of your disbelief. It did happen, you know? You don't have to believe that, but I believe it, so I will test that claim. And all I am asking is that you allow that I have that belief and claim and that I will proceed to testing it.

Frankly, I don't care what you believe. And, no, I don't "know". The only flaw in your reasoning, though, is that when other people have expressed their disbelief-which they are entitled to-you continually try to force them to believe with "I did! I did! I really really did!".

Stop cramming it down our throats. We don't believe you.

Actually desertgal, I have extracted lots of useful information that has helped me to submit a test protocol to the IIG.

Great.

If I fail the IIG test the claim is falsified and I will be proud to admit that.

We'll see.

It is just that when Skeptics here say that no I didn't detect the missing kidney in Dr. Carlson you are expecting me to change my version of what happened.

And, again, you are missing the point. Skeptics here are not saying that you didn't detect the missing kidney. They are saying that they don't believe you. I don't think they care what version you offer, since they aren't going to believe it regardless.

Again, stop trying to cram it down our throats. We don't believe you. You were definitely warned about this some months ago: when you 'postdict' something, there isn't a chance in hell that any respectable Skeptic will believe you without proof. That they choose to repeatedly make that clear is their right.

If you were objective you would realize that you have no evidence that I did not detect the missing kidney.

I do realize that I have no evidence that you did not detect the missing kidney, and that is absolutely irrelevant. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. Since you have failed at the burden of proof with all your claims, most people here don't have reason to believe you. Until you present proof of any claim, people here are entitled to state that they don't believe you. It's not impatience-it's skepticism. Do I need to say that a few more times for it to sink in?

They were mentioned on my website where I discuss things around the main claim. If the main claim is falsified then all subordinate claims fall down with it.

We'll see.

I'm not here for attention.

Well, here's a shocker: I don't believe you.

Before you waste more time protesting, try this: Give us one solid piece of irrefutable evidence that supports your claim that you are telling the truth.

 

[LightinDarkness]

On the contrary you will see that I have wholeheartedly committed to every single offer given to me of testing either my main claim medical perceptions or the claim of healing migraines. Even you made me such an offer one time, and you saw how devoted I was to making it happen. In fact, your offer would be very easy to follow through. Only that you, not I, make excuses to not make it happen. The kidney test will happen soon. And I've only been posting on the JREF Forums since November last year, so that makes it less than a year ago, rather than years.

Another spectacular series of lies from VFF. You have refused every single test that would clearly falsify the superpowers you claim to have. Every. Single. One. Instead, you opt for elaborate tests that are intricte, hard to set up, and would only falsify (according to you) a small amount of your claim superpowers.

I made you the offer to come practice your woo on me if you would drop your delusions and return to a normal, woo-free life. You refused. Why? Because you know you'd fail. You are the one making excuses, and you have continued to prove yourself as one classless act, a liar, and a fraud.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

So you are claiming that one test shows noticeable improvement. (yes, you have over many, many threads) but that a negative response is mere chance.

No. I said that one test is not enough and I said that any effect from my att. treatment would have to be verified through several repeated attempts. Read carefully and try not to interpret my posts to agree with your expectations of a paranormal claimant.

So why would you expect any one to take that chance? Why can't you see that asking people to subject themselves to an untested treatment is wrong.

I see nothing wrong with how the attempted migraine treatment was carried out with the acquaintance. I do agree that it is borderline to inappropriate to consider trying currently unfounded att. treatment again and with other people. But I also consider it my obligation to look into the possibility. What if I can, somehow, transfer an effect that brings relief to migraine sufferers? Conventional medicine does what it can but has to admit that it is insufficient. Alternative medicine tries many things, including attempts of energy healing, herbal medicines, acupuncture, and massage treatments. If what I do works, then I should look into it and confirm the ability and begin practicing on migraine sufferers. The man I "treated", today reports a lasting improvement.

It doesn't matter if you have no ability. You need to get away from the idea that people only exist for your glorification. This entitlement oozes through everything you say like a bad smell.

How absolutely rude of you. I put my entire scientific reputation and future career on line to extend a helping hand to a man who is desperate for any relief in his migraines. And turns out that for what ever reason, meeting with me coincides with immediate and very dramatic relief in his migraine condition. I am absolutely not looking into this for my own benefit.

Although I have not had a migraine myself, I do know that persons with chronic severe migraines suffer tremendously. If there was any chance that I could help them, regardless of what the mechanism actually is whether it is what I actually do or because of transfer of placebo I would most certainly hope to establish that ability and acquire a license and begin practice. Keep in mind, my career will be in conventional medicine. Treating migraines would only take away from my time, but I'd do it for their sakes, not mine.

The att. treatment I do is so very easy for me. If that were all it takes to relieve someone of their migraine symptoms of course I would have to do it. And if you think that is selfish of me, I fail to see your reasoning.

It is behind your derailments, the stalling and your inability to understand any other point of view. Please stop parroting and start thinking.

There is no stalling. It took the time it took to study my paranormal claim of medical perceptions and to identify a specific ailment to focus the test on and to consider test conditions and to form a test protocol draft. You must remember, that when I first submitted the claim to the IIG for a test I only had limited experience of perceptions that had been checked for accuracy and I had no way of knowing how the perceptions would occur during various test conditions and had to find out. The test will happen soon.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

That is a flat out lie.

Is not. I've accepted every offer of a test for medical perceptions and migraine treatment. You seem to be focusing on that I do not accept offers to test other things that I am not interested in testing.

You've done nothing wholeheartedly, except to avoid every conceivable opportunity you've been given to test any of your bizarre claims. You've made no commitments other than the commitment to add new and bizarre unsupportable claims to your list. Your only devotion is to yourself and your effort to garner more attention. And your list of excuses for not performing any tests is a mile long and goes back to the first day you darkened the doorstep of the JREF Forums.

How rude. I've worked very hard to look into my medical perceptions claim and I have successfully completed what I refer to as the study process and have submitted an acceptable protocol to the IIG. If the only problem is that all of this has taken two years, then I really don't see why your impatience should be turned into hostility like this. The only new claim I have put on the table is the att. migraine treatment but it does not cause delay to the main claim at all.

And you've avoided like the plague any kind of testing since that very first day. Not only have you avoided testing your bogus claims, you've avoided testing for the common, mundane possibilities that would easily explain your experiences. If you were truly scientifically concerned, you'd acknowledge that the possibility exists that you're seriously mentally ill. Why haven't you had that tested, yet? Even in your denial you'd have to admit that it could explain every experience you claim and your inability to realize you're a habitual liar.

There are only two claims that I am going to have tested. And I have not lied about anything.

And of course the possibility also exists that you are fully aware of your lies and that your deceit is intentional, in which case...

I have absolutely not lied about any of my experiences or about what I am doing.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You just cannot help yourself can you? This is another flat out lie - you recently claimed to be able to detect a diaphram.

Norm

That is part of the medical perceptions claim, Honey.

Insert "Do not call me Honey" here __________________

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Another spectacular series of lies from VFF. You have refused every single test that would clearly falsify the superpowers you claim to have. Every. Single. One. Instead, you opt for elaborate tests that are intricte, hard to set up, and would only falsify (according to you) a small amount of your claim superpowers.

I only have two claims: medical perceptions, and att. migraine treatment. I have agreed to every single offer to test these two claims. It is true that I do not want to test other aspects of the claim at this moment, including chemical perception. If all there ever were, was the chemical perception, I would not have submitted that for a paranormal test anyway because regardless of any cases of correlation I choose to consider it as an expression of synesthesia. I am testing the medical perceptions, and now also the att. migraine treatment, because those have had interesting correlation that I can't deny or explain. Do note, that if my kidney test fails, it falsifies along with it all the subordinate claims including the chemical detection, but if I were to fail a chemical test then I would still want to have the kidney test, so it makes sense that I should focus on the kidney test and not a chemical test.

I made you the offer to come practice your woo on me if you would drop your delusions and return to a normal, woo-free life. You refused. Why? Because you know you'd fail. You are the one making excuses, and you have continued to prove yourself as one classless act, a liar, and a fraud.

I regret to inform you that you are incorrect about your assumption here. I was very disappointed that you chose to withdraw your offer to let me attempt a migraine treatment on you. Also I am very willing to falsify the att. migraine treatment claim if I fail at an att. treatment, but to do that I need a willing volunteer, and most preferably a Skeptic one, like you!

You demand of me that if our att. treatment fails to coincide with noticeable improvement in your migraine condition, that I drop the claim of medical perceptions. I can not do that, for two reasons. One is that they are not the same claim. The med. perceptions claim is about being able to see inside the body, and the att. treatment claim is about being able to see inside the body plus able to design a treatment based on what I see. If the treatment is proven to be ineffective, it does not deduce that I did not see inside the body. If you were a scientist you would see that.

The second reason why I will not drop my main claim is that there will be a test and that test will falsify the main claim properly if there is no ability of seeing inside the body. And it is better that it be falsified based on supporting evidence against it rather than "because LightinDarkness said so".

 

[SezMe]

How absolutely rude of you. I put my entire scientific reputation and future career on line to extend a helping hand to a man who is desperate for any relief in his migraines.

Oh, don't be a friggin' drama queen. You don't have a scientific reputation to put on the line. And one stupid claim one some internet forum is not going to affect your future career.

 

[Akhenaten]

I only have two claims: medical perceptions, and att. migraine treatment.

And coming from Arcturus and being able to see inside molecules and conversing with the ghost of Benjamin Franklin and detecting diaphragms and . . .

I have agreed to every single offer to test these two claims.

This be fibbing.

It is true that I do not want to test other aspects of the claim at this moment, including chemical perception.

What you're failing to realise is that what YOU want to test is irrelevant. The tests you really needed to pass before trying anything else were the tests of scientific objectivity, credibility, integrity and sanity. How would you score your results in these areas? If it's higher than zero, you're fooling yourself again.

If all there ever were, was the chemical perception, I would not have submitted that for a paranormal test anyway because regardless of any cases of correlation I choose to consider it as an expression of synesthesia.

If all there ever were, was the chemical perception, your claim could have been neatly and conclusively falsified in a snap.

But the fact is that the chemical perceptions were at the thin end of a wedge of delusion and fantasy that the forum has never before seen played out like this. It's bizarrely compelling.

Or maybe it is the grammar that are the attraction.

I am testing the medical perceptions, and now also the att. migraine treatment, because those have had interesting correlation that I can't deny or explain.

Firstly, you aren't testing anything, otherwise we'd be discussing your results. Secondly, the interesting correlation that you mention doesn't exist, and this is likely why you have difficulty denying or explaining it. Same as the IPU™, really.

Do note, that if my kidney test fails, . . .

It failed at conception. Didn't even get to "stillborn".

. . . it falsifies along with it all the subordinate claims including the chemical detection . . .

I only have two claims: medical perceptions, and att. migraine treatment.

So you only have two claims, except for all the others.

. . . but if I were to fail a chemical test then I would still want to have the kidney test, so it makes sense that I should focus on the kidney test and not a chemical test.

Your assertion that this makes sense needs to be added to the running total of your false claims.

I regret to inform you that you are incorrect about your assumption here.

This is an example of the mental cut-and-paste you do with various words and phrases. Did you pick this one up off a rejection letter from a sceptic organisation?

I was very disappointed that you chose to withdraw your offer to let me attempt a migraine treatment on you. Also I am very willing to falsify the att. migraine treatment claim if I fail at an att. treatment, but to do that I need a willing volunteer, and most preferably a Skeptic one, like you!

Att. to harangue someone into taking part in your bogus att.s at medical treatments is outrageous behaviour. How do think this att. will turn out?

You demand of me that if our att. treatment fails to coincide with noticeable improvement in your migraine condition, that I drop the claim of medical perceptions.

More att. haranguing. How sweet.

I can not do that, for two reasons. One is that they are not the same claim. The med. perceptions claim is about being able to see inside the body, and the att. treatment claim is about being able to see inside the body plus able to design a treatment based on what I see. If the treatment is proven to be ineffective, it does not deduce that I did not see inside the body.

They are ind. the same claim. All of your rid. claims stem from the simp. bas. claim that you can see ins. stuff. Also, I don't bel. your Eng. is suff. to be muck. ab. with all these abb.s. Dip.

If you were a scientist you would see that.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The second reason why I will not drop my main claim is that there will be a test and that test will falsify the main claim properly if there is no ability of seeing inside the body.

Comp. mumb. jumb.

And it is better that it be falsified based on supporting evidence against it rather than "because LightinDarkness said so".

Hissy fit #4,739 noted. I think I see a patt. dev.

 

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To be honest I think this is just feeding her attention needs.

She gave us absolutely nothing and ignored arguments which have been made to her for months. We took the bait, and a flock of skeptics (including myself) flew down to destroy self-evidently stupid and truth-challenged arguments. All of which had been refuted earlier. Id say we fed her.

Maybe this entire discussion should devolve into ascii and emoticon replys until she supplies some evidence... I think we'd get as much progress and depth out of it.