Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[desertgal]

I'm not doing any of this for attention. In fact I do not like the attention I am being given, it is very negative and hostile.

Get used to it. It's generally the only kind of attention you will receive as long as you continue to show yourself to be a liar, a fraud, and an attention junkie.

I am here because of the two very interesting paranormal claims that I am investigating.

Very interesting to whom? Your claims are nothing but fantasy, which most people here have recognized.

If you don't like to see those claims get attention, do not give them any attention.

I think that's a great idea. Personally, from reading the responses, I think most of us would prefer to see your threads die a natural death. Unfortunately, you will continue to revive them, or offer new claims, in your quest for attention, and then whine when people don't respond the way you want them to.

As for personal attacks, we should try to look at the subject (the claims) and not the person (claimant).

We are. Everyone here is simply addressing the claims you repeatedly offer. But, this is really the pot calling the kettle black, since you only see skeptics as "resources" and have referred to unknown future fellow scientists as "parasites".

I hope one day you people see how rude and hostile you have been as I have done nothing wrong.

Well, I'm sure in your little fantasy world, dishonesty, unethical experiments, racism, bigotry, and attention whoring are A-okay, but that is generally not the way it works in the real world.

You can keep saying you aren't doing this for attention, but that isn't going to make anyone here believe that.

Do you want some cheese with your whine?

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Why do I have the awful feeling that Desertgal's splendid warning system may need even more colors before the VfF threads here on the JREF Forum wind to a close?

"They've gone plaid."

 

[fromdownunder]

I'm not doing any of this for attention. In fact I do not like the attention I am being given, it is very negative and hostile. I am here because of the two very interesting paranormal claims that I am investigating. If you don't like to see those claims get attention, do not give them any attention. As for personal attacks, we should try to look at the subject (the claims) and not the person (claimant).

I hope one day you people see how rude and hostile you have been as I have done nothing wrong.

Nonsense.

Instead of addressing the issues raised here, and nicely summarised by StevenCalder, as to WHY the Migraine test is not practical, you simply blow them away by ignoring all the pertinent facts, and post another "WAAAAHHH!!! They are not playiing nice" attention grabbing post. Have you even thought about how to develop a protocol for this claim?

Talk about the issues raised, rather than wallowing in self pity.

Norm

 

[Ashles]

I'm not doing any of this for attention. In fact I do not like the attention I am being given, it is very negative and hostile.

Feel free not to post here then. No-one is making you. We are discussing your claims and how you avoid testing them, and in this instance how you may be in danger of breaching ethics and laws regarding treating medical consitions without an appropriate license.
I don't see how a desire to protect the general public from unqualified girls mucking about with migraines would normally be considered to be 'negative'.

Also, if it isn't attention you are seeking here it is hard to know what you are getting out of this. You say you want help with creating protocols for testing your claims, yet you ignore all our sugestions.

You say you want feedback about your claims yet you ignore our advice when we attempt to help you avoid breaching US laws and medical ethics.

I am here because of the two very interesting paranormal claims that I am investigating.

Which two are those? It is hard to keep track. You have made about 30.

If you don't like to see those claims get attention, do not give them any attention.

Well unfortunately when paranormal claims get made that might mislead the general public, a responsible skeptic feels a responsibilty to counter those claims or at least do what they can to get them tested properly (have you noticed how we do all the work to try and get your tests to hapen, yet you do nothing but evade testing?).

It's how we try to reduce the level of lies and nonsense in the world, and how we try to encourage everyone to learn the truth about how the universe works. Whatever that truth may turn out to be.

As for personal attacks, we should try to look at the subject (the claims) and not the person (claimant).

Nice attempt to try and turn our comments into a rule breach but sadly for you they actually do address the subject.

I hope one day you people see how rude and hostile you have been as I have done nothing wrong.

Please try and look at the subject (your claims) and not the people (skeptics).

And feel free not to post here if you don't like the subjects.

But as long as you keep posting your silly claims here we will keep pointing out your contradictions, refusal to be tested and feeble attempts at generating test protocols.

 

[blue sock monkey]

If you don't like to see those claims get attention, do not give them any attention. As for personal attacks, we should try to look at the subject (the claims) and not the person (claimant).

I hope one day you people see how rude and hostile you have been as I have done nothing wrong.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of your claims, we have a moral obligation to give them attention.

According to your own posts, you have attempted to "treat" at least one migraine sufferer. You have actively sought more subjects for more meaningless "studies"--meaningless because treating just one or a few subjects is completely insufficient to explore this particular claim. And unless done under the proper supervision of an accredited research facility which is genuinely seeking to cure or alleviate disease, experimenting on human suffering is unethical and reprehensible. To do so for self-aggrandizement is despicable.

 

[Farencue]

Please pack up your picnic and go home Anita.
It is all over.

 

[fromdownunder]

I secifically mention this, as the people you wish to do this test with you are waiting on you specifically - protocol, time, date. Simple really. Why divert attention from your number one *rising with a bullet* talent?

[quote='"VisionFromFeeling"]And I have given all of that to the IIG.

[/quote]

Sorry, I missed this the last time around. Please confirm the time and date of your IIG Kidney test, since you now claim to have given these.

Norm

 

[StevenCalder]

I'm not doing any of this for attention. In fact I do not like the attention I am being given, it is very negative and hostile. I am here because of the two very interesting paranormal claims that I am investigating. If you don't like to see those claims get attention, do not give them any attention. As for personal attacks, we should try to look at the subject (the claims) and not the person (claimant).

I hope one day you people see how rude and hostile you have been as I have done nothing wrong.

You've wasted alot of effort people have put into to you. Go re-read your threads, the amount of people who spent huge amounts of their spare time thinking up ways for you to be recognised in the eyes of science when they would get absolutely nothing out of it and you've then spat on that and claimed that effort was what was stopping you from getting round to doing a simple test.

You have to understand that from what you've given us, you've promised tests, test results etc etc numerous times over and over and over your time and never delivered, there isn't any other conclusion we can reasonably draw at this stage. I'm sorry if you think its a personal attack, I really am, but your history shows you to be untrustworthy.

Give us something so we can see your serious about testing this time (DATA!), or move on, I've even exhausted too much time with you explaining why they've exhausted too much time with you.

 

[SezMe]

I am absolutely not delaying. The IIG and me are discussing the protocol.

I am in the process of getting independent verification of this claim. As soon as I have more info, I'll post it here.

 

[desertgal]

I am here because of the two very interesting paranormal claims that I am investigating.

You amended your description of your migraine 'treatment' to the following:

All it is is I offer a free gentle massage (I specify "gentle", since it involves no skeletal manipulation or other obviously potentially harmful techniques). It is just like offering a hug to someone who is sad.

Please tell us which part of this alleged gentle massage is paranormal? Are you now suggesting that your very touch is so miraculous that the laying on of your hands will break a lifelong pattern of migraine headaches in the 'patient'?

 

[bob_cadaver]

Out of curiosity-I've never had migraines, but I've known people who do, and I've always had the impression that, since the least movement causes pain, the last thing they want is to be touched/massaged. I would think that would just heighten the pain. Is that accurate?

Depends on where someone touches me; I can't stand to have my head touched when I'm having a migraine, my scalp and temple become incredibly sensitive and any touch just adds to the excruciating pain. Being touched anyplace else, like the back of my hand or if someone tried to hug me without touching my head or even my neck (the thought of a neckrub makes me queasy when migraining and I have a friend with first stage Alzheimer's who constantly forgets that and consistently offers to rub my neck when my head hurts--she means well, but good God, it gets wearing), is ok. Just don't go anywhere near my imploding/exploding skull. There are times when just trying to push down what feels like an erupting vein is too much, even when my migraine is nearing its end. Migraine is one horrid pain disorder.
Sorry to hear LiD has migraines, they're an expensive and torturous waste of time.

 

[pakeha]

...I would say to the persons that what I am about to do is to be expected to have absolutely no effect. I do not refer to myself as a therapist or as being licensed. I do not charge any money. All it is is I offer a free gentle massage (I specify "gentle", since it involves no skeletal manipulation or other obviously potentially harmful techniques). It is just like offering a hug to someone who is sad. And it just might, for what ever reason, have effect.

What is the paranormal claim here?
Have the references to LiD been taken off the webpage?

I ask these two questions because obviously VfF isn't asking people to help test something that 'just might' have an effect, is she.
And just as obviously, having a migraine sufferer's communications on the webpage, without their consent and over their strenuous objections, is a really terrible sort of publicity for a science/medicine career. Gives the impression VfF sees humans as guinea pigs.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

And just as obviously, having a migraine sufferer's communications on the webpage, without their consent and over their strenuous objections, is a really terrible sort of publicity for a science/medicine career. Gives the impression VfF sees humans as guinea pigs.

No! LightinDarkness specifically asked us to share any involvement between us regarding an attempted migraine treatment in the public Forum! He/she is the one who did not want us to discuss it in private messages!

And as soon as LightinDarkness announced to me that he/she had changed his/her mind about making the communication public, I respected that and promptly removed the PM messages from my website. If LightinDarkness is now asking that all references to his/her person be removed from my website as well, I will of course abide by that. But note that this reflects a change in his/her original intent.

Not to sound childish or anything, but several Forum Skeptics, including but not limited to Ashles and desertgal, have posted content from my PM's to them where I specifically asked them not to post any in the public Forum. Where I had sent them PM's to answer questions they would not stop asking, that I was not comfortable with answering publicly, but still wanted to be nice enough to answer them individually. And that was not respected. Oh well.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

From my reply in a private conversation with an anonymous Forum Skeptic:

Much of this mess is based on disagreement, disbelief, and distrust toward me by the Skeptics. For instance. I really, really, really did look at Dr. Carlson and strongly, strongly perceive that he is missing a left kidney. It was one of my strongest and clearest perceptions. But I did not write it down. So it is only anecdotal and is not supported by formal evidence, and I acknowledge that. But the thing is, I am claiming to have had an experience (and I really, really did have that experience), that should not have been possible.

Skeptics of course can't believe that it could have happened, but rather than allowing me to claim to have had an experience they are insisting that it is a lie and that it did not happen and when I refuse to adopt their point of view they get upset. I can not take back my claim of having detected that a kidney was missing because it was a true experience.

If Skeptics were objective to say that there is no evidence and they can not take what I have said as truth that would be fine. But they are insisting that I am lying and that it never happened. Meanwhile I know it happened, so I can not change my statement.

That is what the mess is about.

If I fail the IIG test I will humbly and proudly announce that my claim has been falsified. You may post this in the Forums if you wish. In fact, I will.

 

[StevenCalder]

No! LightinDarkness specifically asked us to share any involvement between us regarding an attempted migraine treatment in the public Forum!

As has been pointed out and your fully aware of, your website is not a public forum.

Please answer this;

Sorry, I missed this the last time around. Please confirm the time and date of your IIG Kidney test, since you now claim to have given these.

Norm

 

[StevenCalder]

Skeptics of course can't believe that it could have happened, but rather than allowing me to claim to have had an experience they are insisting that it is a lie and that it did not happen

Are seriously surprised that skeptics who get all manor of crazy people saying all manor of crazy things require evidence for said claims? The reason the assumption is now that your lying/deluded/etc is after a huge amount of time and help you have still given no evidence!

Skeptics putting that much effort into someone for that long and them giving nothing back will breed a degree of cynicism and mistrust. Buts something you've created through your own inaction.

But you know what can solve that cynicism? Instantly? Evidence!

ETA: Evidence! Evidence! Evidence! Evidence!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Be patient then and let me have the test and you will get your evidence! Your impatience should not turn into hostility! Whether it takes me a day or a month or several months to study my claim to reach a specific claim and to design a test protocol for myself should not make any difference in the way that I am treated by people such as you! Patience! I'm not making all of this up from my own mind, the claim is based on experiences, and evidence will be based on testing!

But you know what can solve that cynicism? Instantly? Patience!

ETA: Patience! Patience! Patience! Patience!

 

[Agatha]

And as soon as LightinDarkness announced to me that he/she had changed his/her mind about making the communication public, I respected that and promptly removed the PM messages from my website. If LightinDarkness is now asking that all references to his/her person be removed from my website as well, I will of course abide by that. But note that this reflects a change in his/her original intent.

LiD stated in posts #2 and #27 of this thread that you did not have permission to post his/her personal information on your website; and specifically requested that you remove all such references in post #29, dated 26th August. That you have not done so is yet another demonstration of your inability to understand other people's feelings.

 

[StevenCalder]

ETA: Patience! Patience! Patience! Patience!

If your going to claim that you haven't had enough time to complete a test yet you may just cause skeptics to eat you alive, and then their heads will explode.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]