Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[Hokulele]

Do you understand the difference between posting those in public here at the JREF forums in order to continue a conversation and posting them on your website?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

If I do something, it is wrong. If I don't do it, it is wrong. You are upset with me for posting the PM's. Meanwhile LightinDarkness accuses me of not posting all of the PM's.

You Forum Skeptics are just never happy. You just want to argue.

 

[Hokulele]

If I do something, it is wrong. If I don't do it, it is wrong. You are upset with me for posting the PM's. Meanwhile LightinDarkness accuses me of not posting all of the PM's.

You Forum Skeptics are just never happy. You just want to argue.

That wasn't my question. Do you understand the difference between what LightinDarkness agreed to in the PMs and the actions you took?

 

[Farencue]

And then you hid by not wanting to have a live chat with me.

I am a deeply caring and compassionate individual and none of what I do is for my own purposes.

....trust me I hate woo that hurts people, however this is not such a case

....don't hide away like UncaYimmy is doing right now because things didn't work out the way he had intended.

Your judgement won't be affected by wishful thinking and as long as you are not lying, your accounts of any changes in your migraine condition would be very reliable.

You would be hailed as the wonderful skeptic who falsified a claim of woo.

I do realize the possibility that you might not be an objective skeptic, and that if you really do experience relief in your migraines you might not want to tell us.

I would be eternally grateful. If you do have a reason to decline, please make sure it is a good one....

I really hope to have the chance to meet you soon and attempt the healing!

I will not drop my claim of medical perceptions based on the outcome of the attempted healing....

This is a public investigation....

If you do not want to work on documenting your migraines that is also fine but reduces the credibility of your accounts.

And please be honest.

....if you are a scary man I will bring someone too.

I do acknowledge that these images might be nothing but imaginary and not related to reality.

....you can not argue that I attempted a treatment and that it would have failed.

....when I am not investigating my woo I am very passionate about conventional science.

My goal is not to become a practicing psychic.

I am not an average paranormal claimant.

My website is very valuable and will not be closed.

....a case example of woo that is experienced and not chosen

My main claim of medical perceptions will not be dropped if I fail to heal your migraines.

....two out of three could not have been a placebo because they did not know what I was doing.

Why can't you see that I am not some dangerous woo?

To me it sounds like you are doing what UncaYimmy is doing
So what is the real excuse? Afraid it might work?

While many woos are fraud and will try any trick just to get money or fame, I am a woo who did not choose woo, instead I experience woo...

....because that would ruin you as a Skeptic

I am not the one who states that claim about myself....

....especially since you are a good Skeptic.

This Skeptic does not want to take part in a test of my paranormal claim of healing migraines. This migraine healing investigation continues.

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Wow, some words you speak Anita.

 

[desertgal]

LightinDarkness asked me to post the PM's in the public Forum. I then asked him, in PM, to confirm that he allows me to make our PM's public. I asked by saying that if he objects, he should let me know...

Do you understand the contradictions in your statements at all?

LiD asked you to post the PM's on the pubic forum, NOT your website.

LiD did not confirm to you that you could publish the PM's on your website. An absence of objection is not a confirmation or permission to publish private correspondence.

Now, you are simply trying to manipulate your way out of taking responsibility for doing something underhanded and sneaky, instead of simply apologizing and removing the PM's from your website. It is glaringly obvious that LiD does not want his/her PM's published on your website, and did not authorize you to publish them there.

LiD said it best: "One classless act."

 

[desertgal]

If I do something, it is wrong. If I don't do it, it is wrong. You are upset with me for posting the PM's. Meanwhile LightinDarkness accuses me of not posting all of the PM's.

You Forum Skeptics are just never happy. You just want to argue.

The victim act doesn't work here, Anita. We know it for the lie that it is.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Dear LightinDarkness, in those several PM's between you and me, that I have subsequently posted on my website at migraines.html, it was you who suggested that we take our conversation into the public Forum. At that time, however, the public thread that discusses my claims was temporarily closed by the Moderators and that is why you and I were corresponding in PM about the migraine test. I also mentioned at least once and probably more than once, in our PM's, that if you were to object against me making our correspondence public, please notify me.

I had no reason to expect you to object to me making our PM's public.

ETA: I am not doing this for attention toward myself. I am bringing attention to some interesting experiences, that some other paranormal claimants also claim to experience. I still feel that I made the right choice by making my experience and investigation public, even if it annoys some of you Skeptics.

At no time did I ask you to post my PMs even on this website, I told you that you should take the conversation topic public - even if you misinterpreted what I said as permission to post the PMs, it was not permission to post it on your website.

Also, I certainly posted every single PM between you and me. I made very sure of that. And I don't think that any of your PM's made me look bad. Please read the PM's again and confirm if any of them were missing.

Certainly, if you were to tell me that you have changed your mind about making our conversation public, I will of course remove the PM's from my website.

As usual, Anita, you demonstrate yourself to be who you really are - a nasty troll and a fraud. At no time did I ever tell you to publish my PMs, and as you know I was talking about you making a public proclamation of your giving up the woo upon failing the test. Neither my implicit or explicit permission was given, nor did you ever notify me that you were doing this until I was PMed about this thread.

At no time did you ask me if you wanted to splatter a PRIVATE MESSAGE over your propaganda site. You didn't even post all of them.

 

[LightinDarkness]

LightinDarkness, PLEASE do not go anywhere near this crazy, sick, twisted woowoo. It has gone way past the harmless stage now.
Moderators, I realise you may not like this post but I urge you to go to the link and see what you are allowing here on this forum.
if Anita was my child she would be getting a smack across the backside. How dare you harrass LightinDarkness this way?

I have to say I think Anita's increasing delusions are making her possibly dangerous. Although we can't diagnose anyone over the internet, this sort of obsessive behavior is very odd. I seriously worry whats going to happen if someone confronts her in person (instead of over the internet where she can hide) and shows her that she does not have supernatural powers. She might snap.

Again, Anita, you choose to plaster yourself over the internet because you crave attention and want to advertise to the world about how special you are. That's fine - its your choice. Its not mine or anyone elses, and anything that is sent to you in a PRIVATE MESSAGE should stay that way unless explicit permission is given otherwise.

 

[LightinDarkness]

LightinDarkness shared on this Forum that he suffers from migraines, and that he lives not too far from me. I thought a Skeptic with migraines would be the perfect candidate to attempt the healing with, since their experience would be more reliable and be less likely to be influenced by their expectations.

For a self-proclaimed science student, what would 1 test of your self-proclaimed healing superpower prove? Nothing, really. A test that is not blind on one subject proves nothing either way.

When I first asked LightinDarkness whether he would be willing to let me attempt the healing with him I contacted him in PM. He then said to me, in PM, that he would rather have this conversation in the public Forum. But at that time, the Moderators had closed the VFF discussion thread in order to remove inappropriate posts from it, so that is why LightinDarkness and me continued our discussion in PM rather than in the public Forum.

Preserved to show that you KNEW what you were doing. I said the conversation should take place in the forum thread, that does NOT equal giving you permission to post my PRIVATE MESSAGES anywhere. You just demonstrated you know what I said was not permission to do what you did, but you did it anyways.

Have you no shame?

LightinDarkness asked me to post the PM's in the public Forum. I then asked him, in PM, to confirm that he allows me to make our PM's public. I asked by saying that if he objects, he should let me know... I asked it in this way, because he had already wanted us to make the PM's public.

Are you just making things up as you go along now? I never told you you could post my PM's anywhere, much less your website, and I never gave you permission to do anything. Playing games of making me "opt-out" of your plastering of my PMs is classless - like most people, I ignore all PMs from you now. I never even read it and you knew that.

I see VFF still has paragraphs about me on her site, but has at least removed the PMs. You need to remove the entire thing because I don't even want my nickname associated with you. Remove it all and let the thread die.

 

[Uncayimmy]

From VFF's site (emphasis mine):

LightinDarkness has declined taking part in the test where I attempt to heal his migraines. To give the best and unaltered version of this Skeptic's reasoning behind his choice, earlier I posted the correspondence that took place between us. He now objects and so I have removed the PM's. I will provide a summary of the conversation later on, since our correspondence was by no means intended as private, it was LightinDarkness who had asked us to discuss it in the public forum but the discussion page was at that time closed while moderators removed inappropriate posts, so the only reason our conversation was done in PM (private messages) was because the Forum was closed. Not because it was private.

 

[Audible Click]

LightnDarkness screen name should be redacted from the VfF website. He does not want his s/n used in any way on Anita's website, she does not have to use his s/n in the summary she is planning to write, just call him the Skeptic.

 

[Agatha]

...it was LightinDarkness who had asked us to discuss it in the public forum but the discussion page was at that time closed while moderators removed inappropriate posts, so the only reason our conversation was done in PM (private messages) was because the Forum was closed. Not because it was private.

(emphasis mine)

To the casual observer, this would imply that the forum was down, rather than one thread being temporarily inaccessible.

VisionFromFeeling
Feel free to apply skepticism and call me a liar and a fraud.

You're a liar and a fraud.

 

[desertgal]

LightnDarkness screen name should be redacted from the VfF website. He does not want his s/n used in any way on Anita's website, she does not have to use his s/n in the summary she is planning to write, just call him the Skeptic.

That's it. If LiD doesn't want his screen name on her website, Anita should courteously remove it.

It's just that simple. Too complex for Anita to understand, perhaps, but still very simple.

To the casual observer, this would imply that the forum was down, rather than one thread being temporarily inaccessible.

Yep. She's just inventing excuses.

 

[pakeha]

I've just gone around to VfF's website and as of the time of posting, LightnDarkness's name is still up.
I don't understand this.
If VfF has time to post here, then obviously there's time in her life to correct a wrong, inadvertant as it may have been on her part.

 

[Akhenaten]

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

I have already discussed these past experiences with attempted healing in this Forum so I don't need to repeat myself.

etc.

 

[jhunter1163]

Maybe LiD should post something saying something like "Anita, permission for you to use my name, our PMs, or anything associated with me on your website is hereby revoked." In a large colorful font, maybe.

Not that there should be any doubt that LiD doesn't want that stuff up there, but maybe she needs to see it in big letters.

 

[Ashles]

Not that there should be any doubt that LiD doesn't want that stuff up there, but maybe she needs to see it in big letters.

We currently associate things written by her in large font as being invariably untrue - maybe she does too.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Dear LightinDarkness,

I would like to ask again whether you would be willing to let me try the migraine treatment with you. The improvements that coincided with the attempted treatment with another person were dramatic and immediate. He went from having a minimum of 12 migraines a month to having only two for the month that followed and then another two for the second month after that. And he claims that his condition had been constantly worsening for years without any periodical improvement. He reports, that the few migraines he did have after the treatment were also milder and lasting shorter amounts of time. I remain skeptical and choose not to take his testimony as evidence. But I have to try again with another person to see whether this will happen again.

A Skeptic is the optimal subject for this test. Your assessment would be less likely to be affected by your expectations or emotions. If skeptical investigation is in your interest, and if you would find this test worthy of your time. If the treatment fails, you would have contributed to falsifying a paranormal claim. And if the treatment seems successful, you have gained an improvement in your migraine condition.

I need to investigate this since if I were able to offer relief for migraines I would certainly need to establish that ability for the sake of those that suffer from migraines. I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine and my incentive to investigate is not based on personal gain.

Please reconsider.

VFF

 

[bookitty]

Dear LightinDarkness,

I would like to ask again whether you would be willing to let me try the migraine treatment with you. The improvements that coincided with the attempted treatment with another person were dramatic and immediate. He went from having a minimum of 12 migraines a month to having only two for the month that followed and then another two for the second month after that. And he claims that his condition had been constantly worsening for years without any periodical improvement. He reports, that the few migraines he did have after the treatment were also milder and lasting shorter amounts of time. I remain skeptical and choose not to take his testimony as evidence. But I have to try again with another person to see whether this will happen again.

A Skeptic is the optimal subject for this test. Your assessment would be less likely to be affected by your expectations or emotions. If skeptical investigation is in your interest, and if you would find this test worthy of your time. If the treatment fails, you would have contributed to falsifying a paranormal claim. And if the treatment seems successful, you have gained an improvement in your migraine condition.

I need to investigate this since if I were able to offer relief for migraines I would certainly need to establish that ability for the sake of those that suffer from migraines. I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine and my incentive to investigate is not based on personal gain.

Please reconsider.

VFF

Why is this not a private message?

 

[desertgal]

I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine and my incentive to investigate is not based on personal gain...

...just self aggrandizement and a need for attention.

(Fixed it for you, LiD.)

"Me, me, me. I, I, I." Arm waving and all that...