Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[Audible Click]

VfF, you still have LightnDarkness's screen name on your webpage and he asked you to take it down weeks ago.

 

[fromdownunder]

Dear LightinDarkness,

*snip*

So have you lost the hots for detecting missing kidneys, and is it no longer your major claim which you are dedicated to developing a protocol for, in lieu of dropping everything else for the time being? That is all anybody is waiting for.

I specifically mention this, as the people you wish to do this test with you are waiting on you specifically - protocol, time, date. Simple really. Why divert attention from your number one *rising with a bullet* talent?

Is a Migraine test just another blind alley? What about detecting diaphrams? Was that just another blind alley, since you raised it after telling everybody that you were only interested in kidney tests?

This is a question, not an insult. Has it ever occured to you that you may be just an attention whore? If not, here is a (shouted) thought. Make a claim, develop a protocol, and stick with it. STOP FISHING FOR ATTENTION!

Norm

 

[Ashles]

Dear LightinDarkness,

I would like to ask again whether you would be willing to let me try the migraine treatment with you. The improvements that coincided with the attempted treatment with another person were dramatic and immediate. He went from having a minimum of 12 migraines a month to having only two for the month that followed and then another two for the second month after that. And he claims that his condition had been constantly worsening for years without any periodical improvement. He reports, that the few migraines he did have after the treatment were also milder and lasting shorter amounts of time. I remain skeptical and choose not to take his testimony as evidence. But I have to try again with another person to see whether this will happen again.

A Skeptic is the optimal subject for this test. Your assessment would be less likely to be affected by your expectations or emotions. If skeptical investigation is in your interest, and if you would find this test worthy of your time. If the treatment fails, you would have contributed to falsifying a paranormal claim. And if the treatment seems successful, you have gained an improvement in your migraine condition.

I need to investigate this since if I were able to offer relief for migraines I would certainly need to establish that ability for the sake of those that suffer from migraines. I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine and my incentive to investigate is not based on personal gain.

Please reconsider.

VFF

I'm sorry Anita - this is not your main claim, nor your 'strongest ability'.

Please focus on the Kidney Detection claim as you have youself repeatedly requested. And especially as that is the one you and IIG are apparently working towards a protocol on.

The Migraine test breaches ethics on unlicensed treatment of medical conditions.
So you can't do it.

And we all know how strict you are about not breaching any US laws.

Tell you what - contact the American Medical Association, ask them if you have their permission to proceed, and then we can discuss the Migraine Treatment test further.
I'm sure you will be as keen to do that as you were to contact all the Park Services about your other test.

Since you are always so careful to play by the rules...

 

[StevenCalder]

Dear LightinDarkness,
I need to investigate this since if I were able to offer relief for migraines I would certainly need to establish that ability for the sake of those that suffer from migraines.

Speaking on behalf of all Migraine sufferers everywhere, as I am entitled to do as Lord and Regent of Migraine land, we as a people are totally fine with you not bothering with this and sticking with your kidney test.

Once you've shown you can do that, you can come back to the Migraines as im sure people will be lining up round your door with nobel peace prizes and the like. I will be first in line. In the mean time im sure we can muddle through with medical science.

(Yay first post on the JREFF!)

 

[Hokulele]

Welcome, StevenCalder.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Also welcome, Steven.

Be warned, though, that VFF threads are apt to cause migraines.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Why is this [message to LightinDarkness] not a private message?

Because LightinDarkness wanted our discussion about a possible attempted migraine treatment to be taken into the "public forum". If I do something, it is wrong. And if I don't do it, it is wrong. So I'll just do one or the other and everyone will be upset either way.

VfF, you still have LightnDarkness's screen name on your webpage and he asked you to take it down weeks ago.

My inquiry into the migraine treatment is an open investigation. Even LightinDarkness used to think so.

So have you lost the hots for detecting missing kidneys, and is it no longer your major claim which you are dedicated to developing a protocol for, in lieu of dropping everything else for the time being? That is all anybody is waiting for.

Not at all. I am waiting for the IIG to get back with me about our protocol for the kidney detection test. This migraine thing is just something I do on the side and it does not introduce delay to the kidney test.

I specifically mention this, as the people you wish to do this test with you are waiting on you specifically - protocol, time, date. Simple really. Why divert attention from your number one *rising with a bullet* talent?

And I have given all of that to the IIG.

Is a Migraine test just another blind alley? What about detecting diaphrams? Was that just another blind alley, since you raised it after telling everybody that you were only interested in kidney tests?

There won't be a diaphragm test. There will be a kidney test. There might be a migraine test.

This is a question, not an insult. Has it ever occured to you that you may be just an attention whore? If not, here is a (shouted) thought. Make a claim, develop a protocol, and stick with it. STOP FISHING FOR ATTENTION!

It is not for attention. I apologize if I am choosing to involve skeptics in a paranormal investigation. I thought that they were available as a resource for that. For protocol discussions, as subjects, as observers. Should I just test myself? On myself?

Please focus on the Kidney Detection claim as you have youself repeatedly requested. And especially as that is the one you and IIG are apparently working towards a protocol on.

Ashles, I am focusing on the kidney test. All I can do at this point is wait while a local Skeptics group is contacting the IIG about a possible preliminary test and until the IIG gets back with me about the protocol. What you should say, since you are so suspicious, is that they are delaying and avoiding having a test.

The Migraine test breaches ethics on unlicensed treatment of medical conditions. So you can't do it. And we all know how strict you are about not breaching any US laws.

I would say to the persons that what I am about to do is to be expected to have absolutely no effect. I do not refer to myself as a therapist or as being licensed. I do not charge any money. All it is is I offer a free gentle massage (I specify "gentle", since it involves no skeletal manipulation or other obviously potentially harmful techniques). It is just like offering a hug to someone who is sad. And it just might, for what ever reason, have effect.

Tell you what - contact the American Medical Association, ask them if you have their permission to proceed, and then we can discuss the Migraine Treatment test further.
I'm sure you will be as keen to do that as you were to contact all the Park Services about your other test.

I have already contacted the NC Board of Massage & Bodywork Therapy.

StevenCalder, you do not speak on behalf of all migraine sufferers. Sorry. If someone wants me to try, they may.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Any people who are missing a kidney and are available for a kidney detection test? (If so, do not reveal who you are or if you know of someone do not reveal anything about them so to not give them away. You/they would have to contact a Skeptics group and have no communication with me about it.)

Any people who suffer from migraines and are available for a migraine healing test?

There are two claims here that are ready to be falsified or verified.

 

[Audible Click]

LightnDarkness screen name should be redacted from the VfF website. He does not want his s/n used in any way on Anita's website, she does not have to use his s/n in the summary she is planning to write, just call him the Skeptic.

My inquiry into the migraine treatment is an open investigation. Even LightinDarkness used to think so.

That is not an answer to my question. Read the highlighted part of my question and attempt an answer.

 

[StevenCalder]

It is not for attention. I apologize if I am choosing to involve skeptics in a paranormal investigation. I thought that they were available as a resource for that. For protocol discussions, as subjects, as observers. Should I just test myself? On myself?

Ahhhh

Why a paranormal investigation? Why not just an investigation?

Good question. Perhaps since one of the possible conclusions on my list is extrasensory perception. To my knowledge, no extrasensory perception or paranormal ability has been verified as existing by science, so obviously it is not reasonable to expect a paranormal occurrence. But in the way that I experience the medical perceptions, to me I am not guessing, I am not inventing, I am not imagining, to me I am feeling vibrational patterns, and visual images form as a result, and I confirm compelling correlation with the real world. Perhaps since "paranormal" could mean so many things, since I do not quite know what hypothesis to form based on my experience. Many say this is not reminiscent of known expressions of synesthesia. Regardless of what the investigation is called, paranormal investigation, psychology investigation, or something else, I am sure that the final outcome will be the same.

A very vague definition of 'Paranomal Investigation', loads of wiggle room. But seems to be essentionally;

• Normal sciencetific inquiry has never detected esp.
• I am definitely not wrong about my esp.
• Therefore a sciencetific inquiry is ill-equipped to test me.

Why didn't you say from the start (your very first thread!) you weren't looking to be scientifically verified?

As I said in the other thread at stopVFF, your a time waster with a severe history of dodging help. Don't be suprised if you've worn out your reliability, your are unlikely to get lines of new volunteers here to test your "mental hug" on.

Get back to us with the verifiable data, until then I think were done.

ETA: Thanks for the welcomes guys

 

[desertgal]

It is not for attention. I apologize if I am choosing to involve skeptics in a paranormal investigation. I thought that they were available as a resource for that. For protocol discussions, as subjects, as observers. Should I just test myself? On myself?

Pretending that you haven't been given any help here towards protocols, studies, etc. is pretty insulting to the people here and with FACT who HAVE helped you.

Ashles, I am focusing on the kidney test. All I can do at this point is wait while a local Skeptics group is contacting the IIG about a possible preliminary test and until the IIG gets back with me about the protocol. What you should say, since you are so suspicious, is that they are delaying and avoiding having a test.

Why should Ashles lie about the IIG?

All it is is I offer a free gentle massage (I specify "gentle", since it involves no skeletal manipulation or other obviously potentially harmful techniques). It is just like offering a hug to someone who is sad. And it just might, for what ever reason, have effect.

All it is, is some sort of visualization in my mind that I think interacts with the person, and a gentle massage that certainly does produce relief to a migraine condition.

Link
You can't even get your story straight from one forum to the next.

You...

...feel free to apply skepticism and call me a liar and a fraud.

...are a liar and a fraud, and probably the only brown eyed Swede most of us will ever encounter. Hopefully, your threads here will continue to be largely ignored.

 

[jhunter1163]

Desertgal wins the thread. That's WAAAAAAY better than my idea for a "steakslap" emoticon.

 

[whatthebutlersaw]

Lifelong migraineur here, and I would be hard pressed to let an obviously abusive and complete incommunicado anywhere near my poor head after seeing how LiD has fared in your supposedly "friendly" hands. I'd rather be "hugged" by a kodiak bear.

 

[jhunter1163]

I've suffered from migraines for years and I have no idea how one would measure the supposed effectiveness of VfF's "treatment". My doc had me keep a diary of them; how long they lasted, visual or "normal" (I get both kinds), etc. The thing is, it would be completely subjective as to whether I got "better" after the treatment. Any variation in frequency could just be due to random chance. I've gone weeks without one, and I've had them on consecutive days (I don't normally get more than one a day, thank FSM).

So, like I said, completely subjective. This is a blind alley, folks. Back to checking for kidneys.

 

[desertgal]

Out of curiosity-I've never had migraines, but I've known people who do, and I've always had the impression that, since the least movement causes pain, the last thing they want is to be touched/massaged. I would think that would just heighten the pain. Is that accurate?

 

[jhunter1163]

Out of curiosity-I've never had migraines, but I've known people who do, and I've always had the impression that, since the least movement causes pain, the last thing they want is to be touched/massaged. I would think that would just heighten the pain. Is that accurate?

I think it probably varies from person to person. For me, light bothers me way more than touch when I'm having a migraine, though I'd just as soon not have either. I can best describe the pain as feeling like someone has hit me with a hammer just above my left eye.

 

[StevenCalder]

Out of curiosity-I've never had migraines, but I've known people who do, and I've always had the impression that, since the least movement causes pain, the last thing they want is to be touched/massaged. I would think that would just heighten the pain. Is that accurate?

Im not sure it would heighten the pain per-se, its not like my head is ever sore to the touch. So applied pressure would not create additional pain.

However for me certainly I get uncontrollably dizzy and nauseous, even moving around near me let alone rubbing my head and telling my about dark vibrational energy is likely to make me more stressed and increase my symptoms and get objects thrown at you for good measure.

I can't say for sure that extends to all other migraineurs tho, some may like a little head rub.

 

[Ashles]

I have already contacted the NC Board of Massage & Bodywork Therapy.

Who carry precisely zero weight with regard to practising medicine.

Not a problem - if you proceed with attempting to heal anyone I will contact the American Medical Association on your behalf.

I assume that since you do not believe you are breaching any of their ethics you will have no problem with me doing this.

 

[Ashles]

Ashles, I am focusing on the kidney test. All I can do at this point is wait while a local Skeptics group is contacting the IIG about a possible preliminary test and until the IIG gets back with me about the protocol. What you should say, since you are so suspicious, is that they are delaying and avoiding having a test.

Why should I say that when it is blatantly obvious to everyone in the world that it is you who is delaying and avoiding having a test?

I would say to the persons that what I am about to do is to be expected to have absolutely no effect. I do not refer to myself as a therapist or as being licensed. I do not charge any money. All it is is I offer a free gentle massage (I specify "gentle", since it involves no skeletal manipulation or other obviously potentially harmful techniques). It is just like offering a hug to someone who is sad. And it just might, for what ever reason, have effect.

As might doing absolutely nothing therefore it is a stupid and pointless test.
Oops, sorry, I keep forgetting how little you understand with regard setting up a scientific protocol.

Also if a subject for whatever reason experiences an easing in their pain, they may mistakenly attribute it to your ridiculous claims.
This will create a false hope for them, may create some form of reliance on you (a completely false one similar to the way psychics create a false reliance) and bolster your own delusion.
That's the slippery slope. Soon you are charging money and are a fully fledged scam artist.

 

[bookitty]

Out of curiosity-I've never had migraines, but I've known people who do, and I've always had the impression that, since the least movement causes pain, the last thing they want is to be touched/massaged. I would think that would just heighten the pain. Is that accurate?

As Steven said, pressure on my head wouldn't necessarily be bad. I use heavy cold cloths across my eyes. But (for me) dealing with the pain of a migraine is like balancing on a tightrope over an abyss. Every movement, every glance, every sound is dangerous. Even moving my eyes can make things worse.

Sitting upright in a chair while someone rubbed my head and talked would be a nightmare.