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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Porpoise of Life said:
The shapes of all the fields you posted differed wildly, and neither the sizes nor the locations were given. So either you don't remember what you posted, or you're lying again.

More importantly: the existence of agricultural fields in the 21st century proves nothing about what was there 12000 years ago.
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Nope, just trying to narrow my approach.

STOP SAYING 12,000 YEARS! I have not tested any of these sites to assign a date yet, be patient!
 
Reality Check said:
110 items of ignorant assertions, fantasies and lies from 9 November 2017 to 28 November 2017
  1. 29 November 2017: A fantasy that "Carts, goats, sheep" must be visible in Google Earth for an unknown location and time.
  2. 29 November 2017: Repeats the idiocy of a unsourced Google Earth image.
  3. 29 November 2017: Those unsourced images he fantasizes about are so far evidence of his delusion of a global civilization.
  4. 29 November 2017: 2 lies about "same size and shape as their terrestrial counterparts"
  5. 29 November 2017: A fantasy about "instructions" existing since there are none in this thread about his undersea gardens?
  6. 29 November 2017: I was interested and read the paper which gives a lie of dating of "grid gardens".
  7. 29 November 2017: The idiocy of "Follow the lines" as instructions!
  8. 30 November 2017: Lies again about his claim of "grid gardens" which are raised fields often with a grid of mounds on them as in the paper he cited!
  9. 30 November 2017: Days of "blissful ignorance" posting images from Google Earth with no locations.
  10. 30 November 2017: More unsourced Google Earth images implying "grid gardens" lies (no raised fields, no grid of mounds).
  11. 30 November 2017: Another image with no location implying a "grid gardens lie (not raised, no grid of mounds).
  12. 30 November 2017: A doubly stupid question because he gives no locations (maybe kilometers in depth) of these underwater sites and assumes it is possible to date these undersea sites.
  13. 30 November 2017: Reveals a lie about dating and Göbekli Tepe (abandoned 10,000 years ago and so he knows it is irrelevant to the other sites)
  14. 30 November 2017: An "African Rainforests were "plowed" before they were planted" delusion with no evidence.
  15. 30 November 2017: 3 images with no location imply 3 delusions about lost cities.
  16. 30 November 2017: Images still with no locations implies tree and lost city delusions.
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You waste so much time...
 
I really love that this super advanced civilization had the technology to make MASSIVE lines all along the ocean floor but also needed those lines to steer boats around.

Dude, if you can make that kind of "line" on the ocean floor you don't need a bunch of arrows or some orchards. You can literally re-shape the earth and you need to follow some lines to find Chile?
 
ahhell said:
That one is actually pretty cool, if you go to the wiki article on richat structures, I'm pretty sure there's a picture of the very one that KOTA has provided as evidence of atlantis.

I am more convinced that he's a troll, albeit an amusing one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richat_Structure

Edit: Upon further reading I realize there is only one Richat Structure, I thought it was generic name for a type of formation, my bad.

Side note, anyone notice that KOTA just sort of through out that there that the pillars of Hercules aren't on either side of the straight of Gibraltar like everyone else thinks but actually some other formation in his imagination?
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I believe the original directions were misunderstood.

The Atlantis I found is where it should be, if the Pillars of Hercules are now in the desert of Africa, above water. It is possible that this was not always the case.

By examining the gap, we can see that there was a massive flood that crossed through the pillars and turned toward the Atlantic.

The formation is concentric circles, with an outer wall and ruins along side it...AND it still has evidence of their grid gardens!
 
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King of the Americas said:
Nope, just trying to narrow my approach.

STOP SAYING 12,000 YEARS! I have not tested any of these sites to assign a date yet, be patient!
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STOP SAYING ATLANTIS!
Twelve thousand years is your a prior IDIOTIC claim. Sit down and stop making so much foolish noise.
 
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John Jones said:
STOP SAYING ATLANTIS!
Twelve thousand years is your a prior IDIOTIC claim. Sit down and stop making so much foolish noise.
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No it isn't. But, if you feel yourself correct, feel free to quote me from the post.

So, you don't have to go over the whole thread, I began the grid garden stuff about 15 pages ago.
 
King of the Americas said:
By examining the gap, we can see that there was a massive flood that crossed through the pillars and turned toward the Atlantic.
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The Mediterranean filled up from the Atlantic, 5.3 million years ago, about a million years before bipedal Australopithecus became the dominant hominid in Africa. (It's amazing what you learn in Anthropological prehistory at uni) )

How did your magical flood go up hill?
 
King of the Americas said:
Yes.

These lines represent the fact that the African rainforest was plowed before it was planted.
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So I went to the African rainforest on Google Earth and I did indeed find the lines!

1. They're only visible on certain resolutions - if you hit a higher resolution section the lines mysteriously vanish.
2. They go right over mountains and rivers like they're not there.
3. They're seemingly on top of the canopy - I guess the Atlanteans plowed the leaves?
 
Repeats a delusion that the Pillars of Hercules are "in the desert of Africa..."

King of the Americas said:
I believe the original directions were misunderstood.
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No misunderstanding.
1 December 2017: Repeats a delusion that the Pillars of Hercules are "in the desert of Africa, above water"

1 December 2017: A delusion of a "massive flood" basically because there is sand in a desert!
Winds blow through mountain passes. Winds blow sand.

1 December 2017: A lie that the Richat Structure is "an outer wall and ruins".

1 December 2017: A lie about "grid gardens" in the Richat Structure.
 
Repeats his 2 delusions of the "African rainforest was plowed before it was planted"

King of the Americas said:
Yes....
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1 December 2017: Repeats his 2 delusions of the "African rainforest was plowed before it was planted"
He has no evidence of any plowing of the African rainforest. The African rainforest was never planted.

1 December 2017: An unsourced image that he has messed around with to post it here!
And guess what - it shows either his processing artifacts, Google Earth artefacts, the simple fact that satellites map the Earth in strips (:eek:), or the insanity of plow furrows that look at least tens of meters apart (or even more insane his Looks like half a mile wide!) judging by a large river in the upper right corner.

This is what an honest person does: Here is an African rainforest at 0°44'26.79"N 16°29'54.69"E. Plug the location into Google Earth and make your own measurements to see if there are visible plow furrows. These will be a few inches high and a foot or of few feet apart because that is what ploughs do!
I go to 0°44'26.79"N 16°29'54.69"E. From 187 miles up no lines. From 100 miles up no lines. At 69 miles no lines appear but light and dark swaths do appear. At 40 miles up the fuzzy swaths are more obvious. This is about the scale of the KOTA image. The image is covered in trees.

It is idiotic to claim to see plow furrows below a rainforest tree canopy. It is idiotic to claim to see any plow furrows at all from a height of 40 miles. When the swaths are tens of miles long and half a mile of so wide we are into the realm of a completely deluded claim that they are plow furrows.

Now zoom down to 10 miles up - the swaths vanish. Thus we have some kind of processing artifact, probably the stitching together of the strips of terrain that satellites photograph.
At 40 miles the sources were Landsat / Copernicus (Copernicus Programme)?
At 10 miles, there is an added source of DigitalGlobe with its own remote sensing spacecraft.

Now continue zooming down until we can see hints of tree tops - no plow furrows there :eek:!

KOTA ignorance of Google Earth includes that it has historical images. Go to 2012 at an altitude of 17 miles and there are clearer swathes which go through the river.
 
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