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Michael Moore in trouble?

Architect said:
What interests, puzzles, and I have to say angers me is the attempt by the US to extend to embargo to third party states (such as the UK) and then look all surprised when the EU points out that this is wholly illegal and passes laws protecting its citizens from such vexatious prosecution. What made the anti-Castro lobby so powerful that such a clearly ultra-viries piece of legislation ever made it to the statute books?
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Cubans who immigrated to the U.S. often became quite prosperous and the vast majority became U.S. citizens. They organized, they lobbied and they vote in block. They wield disproportionate political power because the bulk of non-Cuban Americans don't see the embargo as an important political issue.

If you ask any of the men and woman running for U.S. President in 2008 if the embargo should be lifted none will come out with an out-right yes. A few might mumble that it "should be looked into".
 
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Alt+F4 said:
Cubans who immigrated to the U.S. often became quite prosperous and the vast majority became U.S. citizens. They organized, they lobbied and they vote in block. They wield disproportionate political power because the bulk of non-Cuban American don't see the embargo as an important political issue.

If you ask any of the men and woman running for U.S. President in 2008 if the embargo should be lifted none will come out with an out-right yes. A few might mumble that it "should be looked into".
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And why is that? Why is the US system of Presidential Election so incapable of electing people with an actual "black-and-white" opinion on anything at all?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, we're all upset we can't visit Cuba or North Korea easily. They're both on everybody's Top Ten Place I'd Like To Visit list.
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Cuba with it's "no americans" selling point is quite a popular tourist destination and NK is quite interesting to visit (if only to say you saw it before it colapsed.
 
Actually, the spelling is Scandinavia (from the original Skandinavien) See, how easy Danish is.... and I don't mean the pastry ;) --- While we're on the subject, llok for Scandinavian Food - Danish style - coming to tv-station near you ;) --- sometime soon.

And yes, it is clear that we changed it from 'scandanavia' ---- to not upset everyone ;) (one drawing is enough ;) ---- )

As for going to North Korea, a Danish TV-station actually went into this country. And I saw some of their programmes. I think one of them actual was about the dear leader's birthday. And I was very shocked to find out that the parades were real, and not in any way instigated by the Danish TV-station.

As for the way Cuba goes after Fidel & Raul, it's anybody's guess...
 
DanishDynamite said:
And why is that? Why is the US system of Presidential Election so incapable of electing people with an actual "black-and-white" opinion on anything at all?
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If a candidate came out as anti-embargo they would definately lose Florida (27 electoral votes) and most likely New Jersey (15 electoral votes). That's alot of electoral votes to give up on an issue that isn't even in the top ten list of most voter's concerns.
 
I've just looked out a dictionary and it says it can be spelt both ways in the UK. So there!

And if you try getting pernickety, I'll ask you to start using the correct Gaelic spellings of Scottish highland placenames instead of the English ones........ ;)
 
Half of the hotel where I stayed in Cuba was filled with Americans, both tourists and businessmen. They told me they had to fly there via Canada, and were discussing how to smuggle some cigars back into the States. I was not of the impression that Cuba is on of the most unpopular travel destinations for US citizens.
 
One of the guys on my team keeps going there on holiday. Says its lovely. Can't say as I fancy it, what with the flight times from the UK and a young family, but there you go.....


...in fact (and correct me if I'm wrong here) I don't think the UK government bans its citizens from travelling to any other countries, does it?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, we're all upset we can't visit Cuba or North Korea easily. They're both on everybody's Top Ten Place I'd Like To Visit list.
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jimtron said:
That's not the point. The point is, we should be free to go wherever we want.
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Precisely.

Alt+F4 said:
I'm an educator so I could (albeit with paperwork) travel to Cuba legally. I think most non-Cuban Americans don't care much about Cuba because it's not a threat and since the embargo has lasted so long, a whole generation of Americans have grown up without much need or desire for Cuba.
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If it isn't a threat, why have the embargo?

Alt+F4 said:
Nope. And I hope his next trip is to North Korea to tell how wonderful "The Great Leader" is and that North Korean doctors have perfected the first brain transplant.
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You think it is Moore's point that he supports Cuba over the US?
 
wahrheit said:
Half of the hotel where I stayed in Cuba was filled with Americans, both tourists and businessmen. They told me they had to fly there via Canada, and were discussing how to smuggle some cigars back into the States. I was not of the impression that Cuba is on of the most unpopular travel destinations for US citizens.
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Hehehehe.....you don't have to go to Cuba to get Cuban cigars, they are sold legally throughout the Carribbean and Mexico. Years ago I smuggled a few into the U.S. in my bra. :D

Don't think I'd try that today though.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Hehehehe.....you don't have to go to Cuba to get Cuban cigars, they are sold legally throughout the Carribbean and Mexico. Years ago I smuggled a few into the U.S. in my bra. :D

Don't think I'd try that today though.
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Because a 6'4" 18 stone bearded bloke always looks silly in a bra? :eye-poppi
 
Alt+F4 said:
If a candidate came out as anti-embargo they would definately lose Florida (27 electoral votes) and most likely New Jersey (15 electoral votes). That's alot of electoral votes to give up on an issue that isn't even in the top ten list of most voter's concerns.
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And?

It seems the US system of election encourages lying.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2028979&page=1

Ditching the cigars but not the army fatigues, Cuban leader Fidel Castro leads a life that guarantees he'll live more than a century, according to his doctor.

"He is going to live 140 years," said Dr. Eugenio Selman, who heads the 120 Years Club that promotes healthy habits for the elderly.


Well maybe Michael Moore is onto something with Cubans living to age 140. Their automobiles also seem to be aging well.
 
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steverino said:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2028979&page=1

Ditching the cigars but not the army fatigues, Cuban leader Fidel Castro leads a life that guarantees he'll live more than a century, according to his doctor.

"He is going to live 140 years," said Dr. Eugenio Selman, who heads the 120 Years Club that promotes healthy habits for the elderly.


Well maybe Michael Moore is onto something with a health system that enables Cubans to live to age 140. Their automobiles also seem to be aging well.
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Yes, because hoping Castro dies soon is so very PC and so very correct!
 
DanishDynamite said:
And?

It seems the US system of election encourages lying.
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It's not lying because they are admitting they won't support an end to the boycott. It's a make or break issue for Cuban-Americans, it's not for the rest of the country.
 
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