Michael Moore in trouble?

[aries]

I don't understand why he had to go to Cuba to make his point. He could have gone to Canada or Denmark or Sweden. And it isn't like it isn't known what Michael M. is talking about. I once saw a 60 minutes TV-programme (or show) about how senior citizens in the US took busrides to Canada to get their medication maybe 2-3 times as cheap as they could get in in the US, simply because Canada does have something called 'a limit' on how much companies must charge for medications as well as allowing parallel import of (legal) drugs (medications). It was made very clear by the American businesses that they were not going to allow parallel import into the US.

As for the 'permission' --- you need to get a permit to visit Cuba, if you're a US citizen. If the US gov'ment did want Michael M. to go to Cuba, why didn't they arrest him before he bordered the flight. Or maybe he sailed by boat ? Or had refugee from Cuba do the footage in Cuba ??

And, no I haven't seen Michael M. complaining...

 

[Pardalis]

FILMMAKER Michael Moore, whose upcoming documentary features ailing Ground Zero workers he took to Cuba for health care,

Now who is using 9/11 for his own political agenda?



Pathetic.

 

[jimtron]

It may be a strawman if the assumption is that Moore is really disapointed about it. He most certainly is not, but he will pretty much have to complain to be able to make good use of it.

I think Moore has expressed disappointment over this, but the OP claimed that Moore complained of persecution. I've read a few articles about this and didn't see a quote from Moore stating such a thing. The question in the OP is a strawman if Moore never made such a complaint.

 

[wahrheit]

You have to have permission from the government to travel where you want? Wow, that sounds real communist like.

Exactly what the inhabitants of the former German Democratic Republic had to do when they wanted to visit a class enemy country, i.e. a western one.

 

[WildCat]

I think Moore has expressed disappointment over this, but the OP claimed that Moore felt persecuted. I've read a few articles about this and didn't see a quote from Moore stating such a thing.

If he doesn't feel persecuted, why did he send a copy of the film to a "safe house" in Canada?

It's clear to me that Moore is just crying for publicity, and trying his damndest to get persecuted even if he isn't.

 

[Pardalis]

It's clear to me that Moore is just crying for publicity, and trying his damndest to get persecuted even if he isn't.

Exactly. He probably knew what he was doing and broke the law intentionally.

What a flaming fat idiot.

 

[jimtron]

Now who is using 9/11 for his own political agenda?



Pathetic.

I do think that Moore has an agenda to expose healthcare problems in the U.S. I haven't seen the film, but I do find it disturbing that one of the richest countries has millions without health insurance. If there are 9/11 victims that are having trouble getting medical treatment here, I'm all for telling that story.

What do you believe Moore's agenda to be?

 

[Pardalis]

I do think that Moore has an agenda to expose healthcare problems in the U.S. I haven't seen the film, but I do find it disturbing that one of the richest countries has millions without health insurance. If there are 9/11 victims that are having trouble getting medical treatment here, I'm all for telling that story.

What do you believe Moore's agenda to be?

Why did he choose 9/11 victims specifically? Of all the people needing health care, why 9/11?

Give me a freaking break.

 

[varwoche]

Remind me again. What is the reason for that particular law?

Of course there's still a degree of (anachronistic) anti-commie zeal. But the reason the law stays on the books is because both parties pander for Florida's electoral votes.

 

[CFLarsen]

Living in the land of the free, where you can go anywhere...

 

[Alt+F4]

I do think that Moore has an agenda to expose healthcare problems in the U.S. I haven't seen the film, but I do find it disturbing that one of the richest countries has millions without health insurance. If there are 9/11 victims that are having trouble getting medical treatment here, I'm all for telling that story.

What do you believe Moore's agenda to be?

I agree that the uninsured in the U.S. is a serious problem but I think Moore's agenda is pro-Castro propaganda.

Elements in Hollywood have been infatuated with the Cuban commander for years. It always leaves me shaking my head when I read about some big-time actor or director going to Cuba and gushing all over Castro.

Linky: http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/the_myth_of_cuban_health_care.php

 

[fishbob]

It appears that Moore is taking advantage of bureaucratic incompetence and inefficiency. Because of this, the government can't make any move without appearing to validate Moore's claim* of persecution. I can hardly wait for the right wing media mouthpieces start up.

I'm gonna get me some popcorn, sit back and watch the show (and by 'show' I don't mean Moore's film).

ETA: Implied claim. Subtle.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that someone can be right about one thing, and wrong about others. And that being a loudmouth jerk doesn't make you any more or less likely to be wrong about something, and that it's possible to be partly right about something.

eta: on second thought, I'm not surprised at all.

 

[jimtron]

Why did he choose 9/11 victims specifically? Of all the people needing health care, why 9/11?

Give me a freaking break.

Because it was a dramatic example? I assume he features other people in the film as well, not just 9/11 victims, but I don't know. If he's misrepresenting their situation, that's wrong. But if he had their cooperation, and accurately told their story, I don't see a problem.

Is he exploiting 9/11 victims, or championing their cause?

 

[Pardalis]

I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that someone can be right about one thing, and wrong about others. And that being a loudmouth jerk doesn't make you any more or less likely to be wrong about something, and that it's possible to be partly right about something.

The same could apply to anybody, including Bush.

Because it was a dramatic example?

Dramatic my ass.

 

[CFLarsen]

Aren't our resident Americans pissed because they aren't allowed to go to Cuba?

 

[TragicMonkey]

The same could apply to anybody, including Bush.

Really? You amaze me.

 

[Kerberos]

Of course there's still a degree of (anachronistic) anti-commie zeal. But the reason the law stays on the books is because both parties pander for Florida's electoral votes.

Thanks Varwoche, but I actually knew about the Cuban exiles in Florida. The question was entirely rethorical.

 

[Jekyll]

Why did he choose 9/11 victims specifically? Of all the people needing health care, why 9/11?

Give me a freaking break.

It's a recurring theme across many democratic nations, the idea that people who have given so much for their country deserve to be treated better.

If you google "homes fit for heroes" you can find the British take on it that dates back to just after WW1.

 

[Alt+F4]

Aren't our resident Americans pissed because they aren't allowed to go to Cuba?

I'm pissed because, like Pardalis, of the 9/11 angle. The health care concerns of 9/11 first responders are quite unique, why would the Cuban health system have been doing any research in this area?

Why Cuba? Why not a Scandanavian nation?