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Michael Moore in trouble?

Jekyll said:
It's a recurring theme across many democratic nations, the idea that people who have given so much for their country deserve to be treated better.

If you google "homes fit for heroes" you can find the British take on it that dates back to just after WW1.
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So when Moore uses 9/11 to advance his politics it's OK, but when Bush uses 9/11 to advance his it's wrong.

Got it.

:rolleyes:
 
Pardalis said:
So when Moore uses 9/11 to advance his politics it's OK, but when Bush uses 9/11 to advance his it's wrong.

Got it.

:rolleyes:
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Oh noes!! Moore is using the lack of support for those at ground zero to advocate more support for them.

On the other hand Bush used terrorists flying a plane into a building as a justification for invading Iraq.

However, you said 9-11 twice so they're clearly exactly the same thing!!
 
Why Cuba? Why not a Scandanavian nation?
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I don't know why; I haven't seen the movie, and haven't heard too much about it. But my initial impression is not that Moore is saying, "U.S. bad, Cuba good," but pointing out the irony that a rich country like mine isn't taking care of all of its own. A Scandinavian country would work too.

Moore is far from perfect, but I'm glad he is making a movie like this.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that someone can be right about one thing, and wrong about others. And that being a loudmouth jerk doesn't make you any more or less likely to be wrong about something, and that it's possible to be partly right about something.

eta: on second thought, I'm not surprised at all.
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You can also agree with someone on an overall point, and still disagree with how they present it, or how they arrived at it, or both.

For example, I can agree with Michael Moore that George W. Bush is a horrible President, and also think that Fahrenheit 9-11 was some of the worst, sloppiest political tripe I have ever seen.
 
"Farenheit 9/11" opened on June 23, 2004 and closed on October 28, 2004. It grossed over $222 million. As election day approached I kept hoping Moore would allow the movie to be broadcast on free television. I really thought if more people saw it, it could really help Kerry.

Of course Moore didn't and Bush was (barely) relected, which I think Moore was please about. How could he possibly make money with the Democrats in charge? He needs Bush & Co. to be his constant boogie man. When the Republicans are out in 2009 he'll just walk away with his filthy jeans and his millions.
 
Jekyll said:
Oh noes!! Moore is using the lack of support for those at ground zero to advocate more support for them.
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Again, of all the people in need of health care, 9/11 is the easiest, lamest political tool to use.

On the other hand Bush used terrorists flying a plane into a building as a justification for invading Iraq.
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True, that was wrong.
 
Again, of all the people in need of health care, 9/11 is the easiest, lamest political tool to use.
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How is it lame? So what if it's easy. Another dramatic example would be to show how Iraq War vets don't get enough healthcare support from our government. I think people will and should be outraged that some 9/11 victims don't get all the healthcare they need. I don't see what's lame about pointing that out.
 
Alt+F4 said:
I'm pissed because, like Pardalis, of the 9/11 angle. The health care concerns of 9/11 first responders are quite unique, why would the Cuban health system have been doing any research in this area?

Why Cuba? Why not a Scandanavian nation?
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"ScandInavian".

Aren't you at all pissed because you can't go to another country?
 
Aren't you at all pissed because you can't go to another country?
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Yes, I'm pissed that I live in the Land of Liberty, yet can't travel to any country I wish. I'm also pissed that I live in a very very rich country that can't provide healthcare for millions.
 
jimtron said:
Another dramatic example would be to show how Iraq War vets don't get enough healthcare support from our government. I think people will and should be outraged that some 9/11 victims don't get all the healthcare they need. I don't see what's lame about pointing that out.
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I think that if Moore were making a film about the health care issues of Iraqi war vets, 9/11 first responders or Joe the mailman....that would be great.

If he were making film on how the Cuban embargo is wrong, stuipd and hurts both nations....also, great.

But it seems that "Sicko" is going to be an America bad, Cuba good propaganda piece. I guess we'll find out in a few days.

And yes, I did see "TV Nation" which pretty much started his career...but the big bucks are in attacking the Republicans.
 
Architect said:
I don't get that. It's Scandanavia. I missing some sort of pun. :confused:
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They changed the spelling to include an "I" to stand for the Latin spelling of "Jehovah" to honor their Christian god, against whom it is illegal to blaspheme there.

What? I'm just clarifying things.
 
CFLarsen said:
"ScandInavian".

Aren't you at all pissed because you can't go to another country?
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I'm an educator so I could (albeit with paperwork) travel to Cuba legally. I think most non-Cuban Americans don't care much about Cuba because it's not a threat and since the embargo has lasted so long, a whole generation of Americans have grown up without much need or desire for Cuba.

What I find intresting about the embargo is how much political power Cuban-Americans have in Florida and parts of New Jersey. You can't be elected dog catcher unless you're anti-Castro.

What will happen when Fidel and Raul are gone? Will the embargo end? Will the Cuban ex-pats go back and try to take over? Will the Cubans give them the boot?
 
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DanishDynamite said:
Is there some just reason Michael Moore shouldn't travel to Cuba?
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Nope. And I hope his next trip is to North Korea to tell how wonderful "The Great Leader" is and that North Korean doctors have perfected the first brain transplant.
 
Alt+F4 said:
What I find intresting about the embargo is how much political power Cuban-Americans have in Florida and parts of New Jersey. You can't be elected dog catcher unless you're anti-Castro.
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What interests, puzzles, and I have to say angers me is the attempt by the US to extend to embargo to third party states (such as the UK) and then look all surprised when the EU points out that this is wholly illegal and passes laws protecting its citizens from such vexatious prosecution. What made the anti-Castro lobby so powerful that such a clearly ultra-viries piece of legislation ever made it to the statute books?
 
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