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Michael Flynn charged

BrooklynBaby said:
The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
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Sure- happens every day and I am glad you brought this up! Happened to me just a year ago but it was cornflakes versus Cherios. Luckily they allow me access to this computer in the prison library and I should be released on parole by next June.

Oh- you did leave out the jury trial and sentencing by the judge. I was lucky there too- the jury was very sympathetic and so didn't convict me on the "eating soggy cereal" charge and the judge threw out the capital punishment option.
 
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Upchurch said:
The one in which you desperately want to downplay something that looks like the first of a bunch of dominoes falling.
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The attempts at denial by the Trump supporters seem pitiful ("sad"?) to me. The play has opened and the script is precisely that used over and over again in the past to uncover illegal conspiracies. I don't know if Trump will be President or not at the end of Act V of this play, but I am certain that Flynn cooperating with Mueller means for Trump and his administration the same as what "Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill shall come..." meant for MacBeth.

As a relevant real life example (for those too young to remember) I suggest considering James Dean and his role in how the Watergate scandal was uncovered. Very clear parallels.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
In what universe?
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That is the way it works. That is why you should never talk to a fed without first consulting a lawyer. It is why EVERYONE on the right said this witch hunt would result in them taking down a few people for "lying" to the feds, then try to use that to force their victims to atttempt to find anything to give the feds to make it go away. That is why when the grand triumph of an indictment for "lying" is issued, it is actually a failure, i.e. a nothingburger in today's terminology. The feds' power is indeed so broad that the "false" information provided to them doesn't need to be even remotely related to what is actually being investigated. Indeed, Mueller's title should be "Special Counsel in Charge of Securing Perjury Traps".
 
Upchurch said:
The one in which you desperately want to downplay something that looks like the first of a bunch of dominoes falling.
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I don't think a year into the Trump election you red-eyed Russia truthers are in a position to call other people desperate. ;)

And why the first domino? What's will Manafort and that _dopoulus guy? Fell into the void because the chain only exists in your imagination fueled by pre$$titute media.

Seriously, your energy would be better spent with opposing Trump's actual policies instead of wasting time with this nonsense. It will not only not lead to you getting rid of Trump, it will backfire and you should be detached a bit before that happens. Not that the mean Trumpers laugh over new buckets full of "liberal tears" when the boomerang hits in the end...
 
Giordano said:
The attempts at denial by the Trump supporters seem pitiful ("sad"?) to me. The play has opened and the script is precisely that used over and over again in the past to uncover illegal conspiracies. I don't know if Trump will be President or not at the end of Act V of this play, but I am certain that Flynn cooperating with Mueller means for Trump and his administration the same as what "Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill shall come..." meant for MacBeth.

As a relevant real life example (for those too young to remember) I suggest considering James Dean and his role in how the Watergate scandal was uncovered. Very clear parallels.
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John???
 
NoahFence said:
Well pardon the **** out of me.
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I hoped the Brady reference would show that the jab was light hearted. Maybe it was too close to the heart.


It seemed for like a post or two that junior had thoughts of having an actual conversation.
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There are several years of history to the contrary. Good on you for trying, though.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
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I think maybe you should reread the guilty plea if you really think he plead guilty of lying about irrelevant statements.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I think maybe you should reread the guilty plea if you really think he plead guilty of lying about irrelevant statements.
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And what has kind of been lost in the shuffle, the crime of that lying was specifically that the lies obstructed the investigation into Russian interfering in the election.
 
LTC8K6 said:
If Flynn pled guilty to an oatmeal for breakfast question, then he and his lawyer should be summarily executed for terminal stupidity.
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Dr. Keith said:
I think maybe you should reread the guilty plea if you really think he plead guilty of lying about irrelevant statements.
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Yeah, it's weird... It's as if some people are implying that Flynn and his lawyer are too stupid to know when Flynn hasn't done anything wrong.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Yeah, it's weird... It's as if some people are implying that Flynn and his lawyer are too stupid to know when Flynn hasn't done anything wrong.
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FLETC was a long time ago but I believe the statute reads "as to a material fact". You can't be charge for lying for something immaterial to the matter at hand.
 
carrps said:
John???
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It wasn't the country-western singer with the breakfast sausages??? Or the actor who played the troubled characters and drove too fast? Wetren't they also involved with the Watergate break in or the cover up?

Oops- I stand corrected.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's your opinion.
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True, it is still early and a lot could still happen, but it is not just my opinion.

There is no reason for Flynn to not fight the measly charge if it's not part of a deal to get out of something worse. He plead guilty because Mueller made it worth it.
 
Upchurch said:
There is no reason for Flynn to not fight the measly charge if it's not part of a deal to get out of something worse. He plead guilty because Mueller made it worth it.
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How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
 
Childlike Empress said:
How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
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He easily could have fought it. People take lesser **** to trial all of the time, and with just as much, if not more, evidence. He could have trotted out any myriad of defenses, but he didn't. He was charged and plead without as much as a whimper.
 
Childlike Empress said:
How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
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I'm not familiar with that website, but that does seems like a reasonable argument presented.

I'm still 50/50 on if something Russia related could bring Trump down or not. I sense the Russians would have tried to help literally any American running for office who didn't seems to be a fan of our military adventurism in the ME, the same way Gulf Oil Monarchies can be expected to root for US politicians who defer to Kissinger's school of geopolitical thought.
Geostrategy is weird, grotesque stuff all around. It's just taken as de facto "legal" when the personalities involved are of a certain, established class.
I'm reminded of little Nayirah on CNN, weeping over Kuwait incubator babies.
 
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