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Michael Flynn charged

logger said:
You’re not understanding. Flynn has said this is ruining and bankrupting his family. He’s literally forced into this which is what this process is designed to do. You’ve obviously never gone up against people who have an unlimited amount of resources. ;)
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That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
 
Darat said:
That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
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Flynn's complaint sounds like a person who has killed both his parents asking for a lenient sentence because he's a orphan.......:confused:

It never fails to amuse me how members of the party of personal responsibility in the country of self-reliance always seem to find someone else to blame for anything bad that happens to them.....
 
The Don said:
Flynn's complaint sounds like a person who has killed both his parents asking for a lenient sentence because he's a orphan.......:confused:

It never fails to amuse me how members of the party of personal responsibility in the country of self-reliance always seem to find someone else to blame for anything bad that happens to them.....
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That analogy amuses me.
 
Darat said:
That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
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Yep he made a mistake, now it’s time to ruin him. Got it.
 
It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
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He is a pretty strange choice of "persecuted underdog". Anyone who believes that his guilty plea is due to the disparity of resources between him and the prosecutors must presumably think that every guilty plea is similarly unsafe? One has to wonder how other people with fewer resources and who can't claim such powerful friends and acquaintances ever manage to plead 'Not Gulity' let alone (on occasion) be found innocent?
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
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Republicans doing their "law and order" thing, just like they're doing their "morality" thing in Alabama and their "small government" thing with Trump.
 
Darat said:
That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place.
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What fascinates me is that the FBI agents interviewing him would have had to keep straight faces while listening to him flatly deny what they had probably heard him say on tape.
 
Childlike Empress said:
How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
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If all he did was lie to another member of the administration for internal political reasons why repeat the lie to the FBI? They wouldn't care about that
 
logger said:
The whole point of pleading guilty?
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Generally, people plead guilty either because they've reached an agreement with the prosecutor to receive a more lenient sentence in return for pleading guilty or because they've agreed to plead guilty to certain charges in return for other charges being dropped.
 
logger said:
Yep he made a mistake, now it’s time to ruin him. Got it.
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If you have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador a mistake would have been:

"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 26th and 30th May".​

When it should have been:

"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 27th and 30th May".​

A mistake is not:

"I never met the Russian ambassador"​

It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
 
Darat said:
It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
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What you're ignoring is the fact that only Democrats are criminals. If it's a Republican, it's not a crime, and if it was, it was the Democrats' fault. QED.
 
Cleon said:
What you're ignoring is the fact that only Democrats are criminals. If it's a Republican, it's not a crime, and if it was, it was the Democrats' Hillary Clinton's fault. QED.
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FTFY
 
Darat said:
If you have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador a mistake would have been:

"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 26th and 30th May".​

When it should have been:

"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 27th and 30th May".​

A mistake is not:

"I never met the Russian ambassador"​

It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
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Sure it is, see Jeff Sessions. Minor mistakes like meeting with Russian ambasadors or not shouldn't ever be an issue even in sworn testimony. Next you will try to say lying under oath to congress should be illegal.
 
Border Reiver said:
We do that to EVERY confessed criminal. Or do you think that all defence attorney's work gratis?
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One might think that the Republican Party is overly soft on crime by them trying to make Flynn's confession to a Federal felony into "He just made a little mistake. No big deal. Time to just move on." But this is just how the Republican Party is- a bunch of warm hearted folks willing to generously forgive people and move on to more important things. One can see that with how they have treated former Democratic candidates who not only have not confessed to crimes, but who have been investigated multiple times by multiple panels and organizations and found not guilty.

I agree that it is time to move on from Michael Flynn- and I believe that Mueller is doing so.
 
Aber said:
What fascinates me is that the FBI agents interviewing him would have had to keep straight faces while listening to him flatly deny what they had probably heard him say on tape.
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At that moment one is probably well advised to be aligning every neuron available to studying every vocal inflection and nonverbal cue made so that when experienced in the future on a subject they don't already have evidence on, they'll be able to spot the lies.
 
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