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Michael Brown Shooting

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Am I correct in understanding that with the new picture evidence that Brown ran a large distance away, Wilson pursued, and then shot him several more times? Or that he put all those bullets in him from 150+ feet away? Lastly, how would that fit in with the audio recording? Everyone has stated that the shots only stop for a couple of seconds, how were either of them able to close ground in that period of time? I am very confused as to what each camp has accepted as verifiable, proven evidence at this point. It seems that it changes rather rapidly.
 
plague311 said:
Am I correct in understanding that with the new picture evidence that Brown ran a large distance away, Wilson pursued, and then shot him several more times? Or that he put all those bullets in him from 150+ feet away? Lastly, how would that fit in with the audio recording? Everyone has stated that the shots only stop for a couple of seconds, how were either of them able to close ground in that period of time? I am very confused as to what each camp has accepted as verifiable, proven evidence at this point. It seems that it changes rather rapidly.
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Agreed. All the amateur sleuthing, while interesting, really doesn't make me feel informed about what went on, and nothing has been compelling so far.
Cop could be innocent or guilty.
 
plague311 said:
Am I correct in understanding that with the new picture evidence that Brown ran a large distance away, Wilson pursued, and then shot him several more times? Or that he put all those bullets in him from 150+ feet away? Lastly, how would that fit in with the audio recording? Everyone has stated that the shots only stop for a couple of seconds, how were either of them able to close ground in that period of time? I am very confused as to what each camp has accepted as verifiable, proven evidence at this point. It seems that it changes rather rapidly.
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I don't know if there are two 'camps'. I don't know what is even valid evidence to a large extent.
 
We can only say with certainty that Brown is dead and the officer shot him sometime after they reportedly had a physical encounter.

That is all we know.
 
I think Brown's body was 35' away from the passenger side of the SUV, and the fat cop in the pics is 'hiding' the body.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
If the circumstances are that he attacked a police officer who was clearly identified as such, after merely being questioned and/or confronted by said officer, and if that attack involved hitting the officer in the face and attempting to gain control of his firearm...

Then I don't even consider "murder" to be a possibility under that set of facts when we're talking about a window of time from start of encounter to Brown shot dead which is a matter of just a couple of minutes, tops.

Something pretty outlandish would need to have happened for me to think "okay now THAT is murder" like Brown on his knees, hands clasped, begging for his life and clearly not a threat... and Wilson clearly seeing that and still opening fire anyway, past any heat of the moment zone.

But this isn't that. This all happened very fast and Brown was doing things contrary to Wilson's commands very close to the time he died. Within moments of it. When we're talking about an injured officer facing two people, and opening fire mere moments after sustaining that attack... well, I'm just not inclined to judge his actions too harshly.

And remember there are legal provisions for a cop killing a fleeing violent felon so I'm not in crazy land here.

It's a hectic life and death situation the deceased created. Would take a LOT for me to feel the cop had done something worthy of prosecution.
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During the invasion of Sicily in 1943, a group of 82nd Airborne ambushed a group of Panzers and Panzergrenadiers, along a road, killing many and incinerating the Panzer commander in the process. The Germans overwhelmed them when a Panzer positioned itself for an enfilade along the roadside ditch the paratroopers were using as cover. The 82nd then surrendered, and it was accepted by the Germans.

If Nazis can accept the surrender of men who were killing their comrades only moments before then it's not too much to ask that Wilson accept Brown's surrender, if that's what he was indeed doing.

Mumbles said:
Nah, someone else said it. before. My opinion (moved to AAH) has not changed in the slightest - it means another person who would rush to justify me or worse, one of my younger cousins, getting shot in the street, so it's just the latest in a long line of kicks to the teeth.
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I beg your pardon, but you are out of line here. You will not find any rush to justify anything by me in this or any of the other Ferguson-related threads. You're welcome to waste your time trying.
 
I am confused about how the recording of the shots is supposed to work.

Crenshaw, among others, stated there was a shot at the vehicle. Is the theory that this shot is before the recording started ?

The recording has 6 shots first ... are these supposed to be misses at Brown while he was running away ?

Then 4 shots, are these supposed to be the hits after he turned around and surrendered?

But he was shot 6 times ?

Apologies if I missed the post that explained this.
 
Polaris said:
During the invasion of Sicily in 1943, a group of 82nd Airborne ambushed a group of Panzers and Panzergrenadiers, along a road, killing many and incinerating the Panzer commander in the process. The Germans overwhelmed them when a Panzer positioned itself for an enfilade along the roadside ditch the paratroopers were using as cover. The 82nd then surrendered, and it was accepted by the Germans.

If Nazis can accept the surrender of men who were killing their comrades only moments before then it's not too much to ask that Wilson accept Brown's surrender, if that's what he was indeed doing.
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While I see your point in this, I definitely believe it's an apples to oranges comparison. You're talking about several people on both sides, and war is different than a random confrontation. Once again, I am not saying it was right or wrong, just that your comparison isn't relative to this particular situation, imo.
 
plague311 said:
While I see your point in this, I definitely believe it's an apples to oranges comparison. You're talking about several people on both sides, and war is different than a random confrontation. Once again, I am not saying it was right or wrong, just that your comparison isn't relative to this particular situation, imo.
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I agree that it's not a perfect comparison, but it's my opinion that the Sicily scenario is a much more extreme situation than a random police/suspect confrontation. Feel free to take it or leave it, it's no big deal.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I am confused about how the recording of the shots is supposed to work.

Crenshaw, among others, stated there was a shot at the vehicle. Is the theory that this shot is before the recording started ?

The recording has 6 shots first ... are these supposed to be misses at Brown while he was running away ?

Then 4 shots, are these supposed to be the hits after he turned around and surrendered?

But he was shot 6 times ?

Apologies if I missed the post that explained this.
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He was hit once by the car, once in the arm while running away, which caused him to stop, then four more times after he'd turned around. The 2-3 second pause between the 6 shots and the next volley make it highly unlikely that he stopped, taunted Brown with "you're not gonna shoot me", then charged, before Wilson bravely defended himself from the bumrushing teen.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I am confused about how the recording of the shots is supposed to work.

Crenshaw, among others, stated there was a shot at the vehicle. Is the theory that this shot is before the recording started ?

The recording has 6 shots first ... are these supposed to be misses at Brown while he was running away ?

Then 4 shots, are these supposed to be the hits after he turned around and surrendered?

But he was shot 6 times ?

Apologies if I missed the post that explained this.
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It definitely doesn't line up with the murder witness accounts, however it's also an incomplete picture. We here 10 shots, but how many shots were fired total? Was Brown shot before the audio recording starts?
 
Unabogie said:
He was hit once by the car, once in the arm while running away, which caused him to stop, then four more times after he'd turned around. The 2-3 second pause between the 6 shots and the next volley make it highly unlikely that he stopped, taunted Brown with "you're not gonna shoot me", then charged, before Wilson bravely defended himself from the bumrushing teen.
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In your scenario he was only shot 5 times, although the autopsy said 6 ?

In your scenario he was shot once from behind, although the autopsy said he was not shot from behind ?

That doesn't seem to fit the facts we know.
 
BenBurch said:
A violent felon? Who convicted him of that? Seems to me he was an innocent citizen at the time of his assassination by this policeman.
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Some have Brown convicted of a violent felony and doing 20 years in the pen all on the basis of a few seconds of (edited?) tape. I would have liked to have seen what a defense lawyer could have made of that.
 
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