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Michael Brown Shooting

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Unabogie said:
Well, remember that the store clerk and the store owners didn't even consider it worthy of filing a complaint. And this apparently happened before they knew that Brown had been killed by Darren Wilson. Clearly Mike Brown committed a crime that day, but folks calling it a "strongarm robbery" -- even if that term is correct technically -- are doing so to maximize the shock value. Whatever happened that day looked like Brown and Johnson were buying something, and then Brown decided he no longer wanted to pay, or deserved a little extra, and took it and then shoved the little clerk aside when he tried to stop it. And what he stole was a box of cigars. People want to make him into Babyface Nelson over it, but that's just them displaying their biases and lack of critical thinking skills, because they think if they can prove Brown was a "thug", then anything goes after that.
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Don't forget his return trip to threaten the " little clerk " with more violence should he have the gall to continue his protest.
I wonder if he had any money on him when he was shot.
 
Kestrel said:
If the recording was made with a video messaging app and time stamped by the server, would that count as knowing?
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I doubt it. We don't know anything about the hardware involved or the messaging software. We don't know what software was used to record the session. Maybe it was just a switch, maybe an entirely different application. We don't know who was on the other end and what that individual will say about the session. We don't know if all of the requisite data needed by the experts is still on the computer used on the Ferguson end, or if it has been deleted or overwritten. We don't know anything except there is a tape of a guy talking on his computer with gunfire in the background, and he doesn't seem to hear it. (Could be he just has some really good headphones.)

BTW, if this recording is valid, I don't see how it helps or hurts either side.
 
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Distracted1 said:
There is a recording of his actions, perhaps you should view it.
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That's not what you said. I caught your original before you edited it. You claimed that someone else went back to threaten the clerk so he wouldn't report it and the store owner wouldn't press charges. Then you deleted that.

Then went back and threatened the " little clerk " with more violence should he have the nerve to protest further.

Must be nice to go out with Mr. Brown. It's not rape if all he did was scare you into it, right?
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Then you accused Mike Brown of being a rapist, because stealing cigars isn't shocking enough, apparently. So yeah, I think it's you who stepped in it.
 
Distracted1 said:
What he did confirm was that they had no interest in getting tangled up in this at all.
Probably not due to being intimidated at all :rolleyes:
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There you go again. Intimidated by whom? Whom are you accusing of threatening the store owner? Or is it just "those people"?

ETA: I'm sure that like a good skeptic you'll provide evidence of this alleged intimidation, since simply speculating is not evidence and Good and True Skeptics always, always Wait for the Facts.

:rolleyes:
 
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Unabogie said:
That's not what you said. I caught your original before you edited it. You claimed that someone else went back to threaten the clerk so he wouldn't report it and the store owner wouldn't press charges. Then you deleted that.



Then you accused Mike Brown of being a rapist, because stealing cigars isn't shocking enough, apparently. So yeah, I think it's you who stepped in it.
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I deleted the original, because it quoted the wrong post and that made the sentence nonsensical.

You may leap to whatever conclusion you like regarding an inability to understand that the same level of intimidation displayed to the clerk, under other circumstances, would have Mr. Brown facing possible decades in prison ( and rightly so ).

If you find the sentence in question to be an accusation of rape against Mr. Brown, that is due to your own inability to understand the conversation which can only be remedied if you put a little more effort into using your reasoning skills.
 
Unabogie said:
There you go again. Intimidated by whom? Whom are you accusing of threatening the store owner? Or is it just "those people"?

ETA: I'm sure that like a good skeptic you'll provide evidence of this alleged intimidation, since simply speculating is not evidence and Good and True Skeptics always, always Wait for the Facts.

:rolleyes:
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The clerk was threatened by Mr. Brown, obviously.
 
Unabogie said:
Well, remember that the store clerk and the store owners didn't even consider it worthy of filing a complaint. And this apparently happened before they knew that Brown had been killed by Darren Wilson. Clearly Mike Brown committed a crime that day, but folks calling it a "strongarm robbery" -- even if that term is correct technically -- are doing so to maximize the shock value. Whatever happened that day looked like Brown and Johnson were buying something, and then Brown decided he no longer wanted to pay, or deserved a little extra, and took it and then shoved the little clerk aside when he tried to stop it. And what he stole was a box of cigars. People want to make him into Babyface Nelson over it, but that's just them displaying their biases and lack of critical thinking skills, because they think if they can prove Brown was a "thug", then anything goes after that.
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Or more likely, they were intimidated by the community into not reporting these kinds of incidents.

I suppose that when a shopkeeper is intimidated into paying protection money, you don't consider it a crime if he is too intimidated to call the police?
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm sure he would have. But I would question charging him with a felony in the first place (IIRC a local prosecutor called it second-degree robbery). IMO it was barely a cut above horseplay. I agree it went too far, I agree Brown acted like a bully and a jerk, but when I see that video I don't see a violent felony taking place.
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Barely above horseplay? Jeezus, that is contemptible.
 
Distracted1 said:
I deleted the original, because it quoted the wrong post and that made the sentence nonsensical.

You may leap to whatever conclusion you like regarding an inability to understand that the same level of intimidation displayed to the clerk, under other circumstances, would have Mr. Brown facing possible decades in prison ( and rightly so ).

If you find the sentence in question to be an accusation of rape against Mr. Brown, that is due to your own inability to understand the conversation which can only be remedied if you put a little more effort into using your reasoning skills.
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So you just threw out the topic of rape just to spice up the conversation, eh? And as for your evidence of intimidation of the store owner, I'll give your lack of anything to support this contention all the consideration it deserves. But to top it all off, now you think Brown would have gotten DECADES in prison for stealing those cigars?

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The proper question to ask is does what Brown did in the store justify the state spending well in excess of $100,000 to keep him locked up for 5 years?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
But that is not true. You can use the trajectory found in the autopsy and draw the line back to where the source would be to get that trajectory.
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I thought bullets could sometimes change direction after hitting bone. Apparently, the autopsy clearly records the direction of the bullet after the bullet passed through the skull, however that piece of information, by itself, cannot used to infer precise entry angles. Does the autopsy report include an estimated or calculated entry angle?
 
Kestrel said:
The proper question to ask is does what Brown did in the store justify the state spending well in excess of $100,000 to keep him locked up for 5 years?
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If someone burgled your house and stole 10,000 dollars of your property. .. How long do you think they should be sentenced to in jail if they are caught?
 
Unabogie said:
There you go again. Intimidated by whom? Whom are you accusing of threatening the store owner? Or is it just "those people"?

ETA: I'm sure that like a good skeptic you'll provide evidence of this alleged intimidation, since simply speculating is not evidence and Good and True Skeptics always, always Wait for the Facts.

:rolleyes:
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Well, since it is not me. I guess it must be " those people ".
If that is the level of your discourse, perhaps the forum should make an emoticon of a little smiley wearing a KKK hood and pointing a finger. That would save you the trouble of finding new ways to sarcastically call people racists.
 
Giz said:
If someone burgled your house and stole 10,000 dollars of your property. .. How long do you think they should be sentenced to in jail if they are caught?
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What if they stole $50 (TOPS) worth of cigars? Do you agree with Distracted that this would merit DECADES (meaning 20+ years) in prison?
 
Unabogie said:
You're the one who claimed that the reason the store owner was not seeking any charges was because he was "intimidated" into it. By whom? And what evidence do you have that this is the case? Is it all just something you made up in your little head?
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The people who spray painted "snitches get stitches" on a store and later burned it down during the riots? Or was that more horseplay?
 
Unabogie said:
What if they stole $50 (TOPS) worth of cigars? Do you agree with Distracted that this would merit DECADES (meaning 20+ years) in prison?
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What if they also grabbed you by the throat and threatened you with further violence?

(Personally, I'd just give a few years)
 
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