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Michael Brown Shooting

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Mumbles said:
Not really. There's a major gap between "push a store clerk" and "shoot a cop". The vast majority of people who would do the former, would never even consider the latter.



So do I. We have two reports of Wilson trying to pull Brown in, as Brown resists. And one, from a guy who repeatedly states he couldn't see much, of "tussling". I could easily see, say, Wilson driving close and hitting Brown with the door when opening it, only to have Brown shove it closed. I don't see Brown jumping into the window to grab Wilson's gun - which IIRC is usually on the right hip. But Johnson's claim that Wilson was trying to pull Brown into the car is ridiculous. Towards, maybe. Into, no way.

I'm still leaning towards murder, based on what I've seen/heard, but we still have a lot of unreliable things here. And as I've said, given the absurd overreaction to protesters and...just people standing around, from the County PD, I don't trust them as far as I can spit.
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Woah.
Please don't put words into my posts.
I never said Brown shot Wilson.
Here's the context of my comment
Distracted1 said:
Others here will argue that it was only a few cigars, hardly grand larceny. If you turn that point around, however, it inspires the question; If Mr. Brown chose to use that level of violence to get a few cheap cigars, how violent might he become over something much, much more serious, like getting arrested and going to prison?
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A very uncomfortable question that is.
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The whole incident simply makes no sense to me, though.
Why flee down the centre of a roadway from someone firing at you?
Wouldn't you duck between/behind cars or do as Johnson claims to have done?
 
Unabogie said:
No, this is not true. Which witnesses were relatives of Brown? There was a woman coming to pick up one of her employees. She did not know Brown. Michael Brady did not know Brown. Dorian Johnson was his friend, and one of the other witnesses was an acquaintance. From what we do know, the witnesses all match each other reasonably well and the forensics matches them as well. And now this audio just further supports what they claimed to have seen. What evidence contradicts them? Are there any other witnesses who saw things differently? As far as I can tell, it's all the witnesses, the autopsy, and the audio, vs. Darren Wilson's word on everything.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYqrAhpo_w4 Interview with anderson cooper

Michael Brady saw a tussle. Although he says he didn't know Brown, he had "seen him around"

He didn't hear a shot at the car, the first shot was at browns back at least 20 feet away. 1 or 2 shots, and wilson didn't hit brown.

By the time Brady gets outside,brown was facing the officer, hands balled around stomach, halfway. He took one or two steps toward the officer. Brady didn't see a "surrender"

How in the world does all that match what you wrote ??? :confused:
 
Originally Posted by Unabogie
So the attorney of the guy who recorded the shots being fired -- while remarking what a small world it is -- comes to learn that one of her OTHER clients is related to Michael Brown, and this is somehow newsworthy because...?
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LTC8K6 said:
Close relative, and it's dated the 15th.
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Originally Posted by Unabogie
No, this is not true. Which witnesses were relatives of Brown? There was a woman coming to pick up one of her employees. She did not know Brown. Michael Brady did not know Brown. Dorian Johnson was his friend, and one of the other witnesses was an acquaintance. From what we do know, the witnesses all match each other reasonably well and the forensics matches them as well. And now this audio just further supports what they claimed to have seen. What evidence contradicts them? Are there any other witnesses who saw things differently? As far as I can tell, it's all the witnesses, the autopsy, and the audio, vs. Darren Wilson's word on everything.
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Oops! I confabulated some posts. I see the lawyer of the shot recording dude has a relative of Brown as a client.
I do believe it was Piaget Crenshaw that said she hung out with Brown. So 2 out of 4 of the witnesses were more than acquaintances of Brown.
 
It's frustrating to say the least that there is no dashcam video and little evidence to corroborate the accounts of what happened at the SUV door. It should be easy enough to determine if Wilson's weapon discharged in the car. Whether or not it did is very important to understand.
 
Unabogie said:
No, this is not true. Which witnesses were relatives of Brown? There was a woman coming to pick up one of her employees. She did not know Brown. Michael Brady did not know Brown. Dorian Johnson was his friend, and one of the other witnesses was an acquaintance. From what we do know, the witnesses all match each other reasonably well and the forensics matches them as well. And now this audio just further supports what they claimed to have seen. What evidence contradicts them? ....
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Their skin color.:rolleyes:
 
pakeha said:
...The whole incident simply makes no sense to me, though.
Why flee down the centre of a roadway from someone firing at you?
Wouldn't you duck between/behind cars or do as Johnson claims to have done?
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Because you are 18, a cop just yelled at you, screeched tires getting back stopping his car right next to you, and grabbed you through his car window then shot at you. You reflexively panic, start to run, realize that was a mistake, and you turn around to surrender.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Because you are 18, you just committed a robbery, a cop just yelled at you, screeched tires getting back stopping his car right next to you, and grabbed you through his car window then shot at you after you tried to take his gun away from him. You reflexively panic, start to run, realize that was a mistake, and you turn around to surrender.
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You forgot the bolded.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Their skin color.:rolleyes:
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Or maybe you want to listen to the actual interviews. :rolleyes:

TheL8Elvis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYqrAhpo_w4 Interview with anderson cooper

Michael Brady saw a tussle. Although he says he didn't know Brown, he had "seen him around"

He didn't hear a shot at the car, the first shot was at browns back at least 20 feet away. 1 or 2 shots, and wilson didn't hit brown.

By the time Brady gets outside,brown was facing the officer, hands balled around stomach, halfway. He took one or two steps toward the officer. Brady didn't see a "surrender"

How in the world does all that match what you wrote ??? :confused:
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casebro said:
Looking for overhead pics, I found this site.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-enhanced-audio-transcription-of-eye-witness/

Lots of important pics there, with north/south orientation. Don't let the site name bias you.
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One pic shows all four of the "murder" witnesses confabulating on "the grassy knoll" before any were interviewed.

Another couple show a "local activist's activist" getting his fingers in the pie. And I wonder what is in that one guy's paper cup?
 
It is hard to imagine someone (even a 6'4" someone) reaching through the window of a Tahoe and being able to get a gun worn on the right side of the driver. If the officer draws the weapon though, I could see a struggle for it.

It would be interesting to see a reconstruction. But I'm only 5'11" and I don't have a Tahoe.
 
marplots said:
It is hard to imagine someone (even a 6'4" someone) reaching through the window of a Tahoe and being able to get a gun worn on the right side of the driver. If the officer draws the weapon though, I could see a struggle for it.

It would be interesting to see a reconstruction. But I'm only 5'11" and I don't have a Tahoe.
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A real skeptic would grow 5 inches and buy a Tahoe, just to gather evidence.
 
marplots said:
It is hard to imagine someone (even a 6'4" someone) reaching through the window of a Tahoe and being able to get a gun worn on the right side of the driver. If the officer draws the weapon though, I could see a struggle for it.

It would be interesting to see a reconstruction. But I'm only 5'11" and I don't have a Tahoe.
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This is what I think. I think Wilson has the gun drawn when Brown tries to grab it. Either because Brown shoved the door closed on him, or because he remembered that call on the radio, and put 2 and 2 together and was going to make a felony arrest.

Because the gun is drawn the second time, I think Brown thinks that Wilson knows about the robbery, and Brown does not want to be arrested.

I would think that being arrested for the robbery has to have crossed their minds with the cop there.

I don't see anyone grabbing the gun, or even trying, if it's in the holster.
 
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