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Michael Brown Shooting

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Bikewer said:
So guys, wish me luck. I'm working our 6pm to 4am "detail" tonight... We are to be a 2-man car detailed to respond to Ferguson "if needed".
Our boys got called up there last night when the looting started. Me, I'm hoping for a nice, slow, steady rain.
The governor has declared a curfew... Unknown at this point what resources will be employed to enforce same. Personally, I would think a city-wide curfew would justify the activation of the NG.... But I'm not the governor.
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Good luck and I hope the National Guard is not needed. :)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No judge in the country would look at that video and think Brown was a dangerous felon.

But you see what you want to see. There's a big guy pushing a little clerk and stealing a carton of cigarillos. Yes it's a crime, a petty crime.

But you don't want it to be a petty crime because you see a scary black thug.
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Having worked both sides of the criminal justice system, I can say with complete confidence that you have no idea how wrong you are. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it's closer to the exact opposite: No judge in the country would call that a "petty crime." In my experience, the only way Michael Brown would have beat a robbery charge in that case is if the shopkeeper had been too afraid to show up to court. Most prosecutors I knew would have been giddy at the prospect of showing the video to a judge -- especially the part where Brown turned around and intimidated the shopkeeper back inside.
 
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newyorkguy said:
I hope the criminal justice system wouldn't send a teenager off to prison for stealing a handful of cigars. That sounds insane.

But yes, stay safe tonight. Good luck.
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It doesn't seem right to send someone off to the pen just for stealing cigars, however, being willing to beat someone to a pulp over a few cigars one is trying to steal seems like a different kind of crime.
 
pchams said:
I read half this post to date and I'm sorry if it has been brought up before, but has this scenario been raised?
The cop wasn't responding to the robbery.
He asked/told Brown and co. to move out of the road.
He got pissed with the non-compliance.
When he backed up, Brown and co. thought they'd been identified for the robbery therefore igniting a response to the cop that he wouldn't be prepared for?
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Yes we've been over this ad infinitum, but whenever it is brought up we get a strawman that we're somehow trying to justify the shooting.
 
Unabogie said:
EDIT: Replied to wrong post.
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You quoted the wrong post. I think you were responding to me, and trying to assert that the surveillance tape at the convenience store does not show an individual ready to go further with his physical assault than he had already.
The return after the shove was clearly of the " do you want some more of this " variety.
If that is not clear to you you are either letting your ideology take control of your senses, or you have never seen a situation such as that happen in person, perhaps both.
 
Distracted1 said:
It doesn't seem right to send someone off to the pen just for stealing cigars, however, being willing to beat someone to a pulp over a few cigars one is trying to steal seems like a different kind of crime.
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You have got it.

All this pasing about "A Little Shove" is just trying to keep the lengend of "The Gentle Giant" alive.
 
Distracted1 said:
You quoted the wrong post. I think you were responding to me, and trying to assert that the surveillance tape at the convenience store does not show an individual ready to go further with his physical assault than he had already.
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That's great that you've developed this mind reading talent. You should try for the million dollars.
 
newyorkguy said:
I hope the criminal justice system wouldn't send a teenager off to prison for stealing a handful of cigars. That sounds insane.

But yes, stay safe tonight. Good luck.
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Because he had no priors and if he had a good attorney, I doubt he goes to prison. He was technically a "teenager" but at 18 the legal system treats him as an adult.
 
dudalb said:
You have got it.

All this pasing about "A Little Shove" is just trying to keep the lengend of "The Gentle Giant" alive.
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So there's no middle ground? He wasn't a gentle giant but the crime alleged was also not a demonstration of horrific violence, and wasn't related to the jaywalking stop anyway?
 
Lerxst said:
<snip> whenever it is brought up we get a strawman that we're somehow trying to justify the shooting.
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You mean you're not? :confused: That's funny I thought you were. Instead you agree the shooting doesn't seem justified. Huh! We agree again.
 
Mike! said:
Would any of you care to speculate what would have transpired next, had the shopkeeper stood his ground when Mr. Brown came back around?
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He would have been ragdolled by the gentle giant who wasn't at all ready and willing to do so in order to facilitate his brazen theft.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
He would have been ragdolled by the gentle giant who wasn't at all ready and willing to do so in order to facilitate his brazen theft.
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You can't make that assumption based upon the video.
The only reason ( apparently, according to some posters ) that you can come to that conclusion is because you are a racist.

It is well known by them that if you witnessed a non-black assaulting and intimidating someone in that manner you would write it off as childish mischief.
I am so glad to belong to a forum with so many who know me better than I know myself.
 
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