Michael Brown Shooting

[dudalb]

I am still dealing with the fact that people are trying to trivitize a violent crime.
Just more proof of how blind devotion to a political ideology can make people behave like idiots.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So he has an outstanding warrant but police have repeatedly said he's not going to be arrested for anything and they haven't taken him in, and in fact, have avoided even talking to him?
I know the Ferguson PD is inept, but what the hell is going on in that town?
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The warrant specified a distance, and Johnson kept outside that distance.
He still has a theft warrant, though.

Johnson is wanted for a 2011 theft case.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/ferguson-shooting-witness-wanted-in-2011-case/#Kil4OmYWIlfAwWsX.99

From the link:

In an interview with WND, Johnson’s attorney, former St. Louis Mayor Freeman Bosley Jr., acknowledged his client had been arrested in Jefferson City for theft of a parcel.

Bosley insisted the case was “resolved.”

“He was held in jail in St. Louis for 14 days, waiting on Cole County to come get him, based on the warrant,” Bosley said. “They never came, so the city let him go.”
But Schaffer said there is an order for Johnson’s extradition if he is arrested within a 50-mile radius of Jefferson City. Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb, is more than 100 miles from Jefferson City.

Bosley also acknowledged Johnson was with Brown at a convenience store shortly before the Aug. 9 shooting in Ferguson, where authorities revealed today they suspect Brown of a “strong-arm” robbery of cigars.

It's not even a failure to appear.

None of these revelations about these two young men appear to be revelations to investigators. At most you have a couple petty crimes being presented as evidence of young black thugs. It's like Travon Martin having a picture of himself with a gun and being caught with pot at school.

Hell, GW Bush and Dick Cheney had drunk driving arrests. Bush probably used cocaine and Clinton most likely inhaled. You can find these kinds of petty records on half the country but somehow black kids with minor arrest records are scary black thugs. And if they happen to be shot, the petty arrest records are proof they were "violent felons".

 

[Distracted1]

Holy cow, one little shove of the store clerk and some kind of threat walking toward him is your definition of violent felon?

What a distortion of reality that is. No wonder you are afraid of scary black men.

Before you call such an incident " a little shove " I suggest you do some shopping at convenience stores in poor neighborhoods. Judging from my own experience, visiting a few times per week will allow you to witness ( or be a victim of ) a " little shove " incident every eighteen months to two years.
Once you have done that research, I will take more seriously your assertions of triviality.

It is impressive that you are able to so clearly grok my " fantasy " of what constitutes a scary individual. It seems that your crystal clear vision into my soul enables you to see that I only consider violence to be violence when the perpetrator of such violence is black.
Amazing that I can maintain such an opinion when the only times I have been beaten and robbed were both at the hands of white criminals. Although, I have been beaten up by black cops, so I guess I should schedule a few therapy sessions with you in whatever suburb you live in to work that out, yes?

 

[GWCarver]

dudalb, If you watch that video in full screen it is easy to see the month is "8".

 

[Distracted1]

The store clerk was so threatened that he didn't even bother reporting it to the police.

Yes, he actually bent over backwards to not snitch. I am sure next week he will just put the cigars on a table out front.... Oh wait, the store got looted last night- so much for the Neville Chamberlain approach.

 

[Brainster]

I think the truth will be that non-fire breathing cop who nonetheless works for a racist police force killed a bad kid using excessive force and the FPD went berserk and terrorized the populace. When all is said and done, this cop should be tried, even if Brown was a thief.

Perhaps you missed something in between excessive force and the FPD went berserk? Rioting and looting, for example?

 

[dudalb]

From the link:
It's not even a failure to appear.

None of these revelations about these two young men appear to be revelations to investigators. At most you have a couple petty crimes being presented as evidence of young black thugs. It's like Travon Martin having a picture of himself with a gun and being caught with pot at school.

Hell, GW Bush and Dick Cheney had drunk driving arrests. Bush probably used cocaine and Clinton most likely inhaled. You can find these kinds of petty records on half the country but somehow black kids with minor arrest records are scary black thugs. And if they happen to be shot, the petty arrest records are proof they were "violent felons".

God,now you are trying to pull DUbya and Cheney into the debate?


You must get a sore neck from the size of the Ideological blinders you are wearing.

 

[dudalb]

Perhaps you missed something in between excessive force and the FPD went berserk? Rioting and looting, for example?

The evil captilistic business men got what they deserved.Long live the Revolution!

 

[Distracted1]

From the link:
It's not even a failure to appear.

None of these revelations about these two young men appear to be revelations to investigators. At most you have a couple petty crimes being presented as evidence of young black thugs. It's like Travon Martin having a picture of himself with a gun and being caught with pot at school.

Hell, GW Bush and Dick Cheney had drunk driving arrests. Bush probably used cocaine and Clinton most likely inhaled. You can find these kinds of petty records on half the country but somehow black kids with minor arrest records are scary black thugs. And if they happen to be shot, the petty arrest records are proof they were "violent felons".

Proof that someone can be considered a violent felon is usually restricted to evidence of that person committing a violent felony. Something like a video tape of them doing it maybe.

 

[dudalb]

dudalb, If you watch that video in full screen it is easy to see the month is "8".

Your reading skills seem to be lacking I think my contempt for this theory is very clear.

 

[dudalb]

If I were a conservative (which I am not, I don't know what the hell I am since my contempt for both left and right in this country is equal) I could not do a better job of making the left look bad then some of the posters in this thread are doing. It is like they are tyring to prove every cliché about liberals that the likes of Rush are peddling.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's amazing. The trivialization of a strongarm robbery.

No wonder the country is messed up.

Doesn't matter anyway. MO law says it's a serious felony.

No judge in the country would look at that video and think Brown was a dangerous felon.

But you see what you want to see. There's a big guy pushing a little clerk and stealing a carton of cigarillos. Yes it's a crime, a petty crime.

But you don't want it to be a petty crime because you see a scary black thug.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

God,now you are trying to pull DUbya and Cheney into the debate?

You must get a sore neck from the size of the Ideological blinders you are wearing.

That's just bullpucky. These young men had petty crime records. You know damn well I was only showing how common such petty crime records are.

 

[dudalb]

No judge in the country would look at that video and think Brown was a dangerous felon.

But you see what you want to see. There's a big guy pushing a little clerk and stealing a carton of cigarillos. Yes it's a crime, a petty crime.

But you don't want it to be a petty crime because you see a scary black thug.

Just keep digging yourself in deeper.

 

[3point14]

No judge in the country would look at that video and think Brown was a dangerous felon.

But you see what you want to see. There's a big guy pushing a little clerk and stealing a carton of cigarillos. Yes it's a crime, a petty crime.

But you don't want it to be a petty crime because you see a scary black thug.

It's a violent crime. Most of us would be bloody terrified when physically intimidated and then pushed (that's an assault) by a man that outweighs us two to one.

I'm a fully fledged, card carrying, bleeding heart liberal and even I think that, on that one occasion on the tape, Brown is a violent criminal. I'm in no way condoning the shooting as there are simply not enough facts to establish if it was 'good' or not and judgement must be reserved on that until further evidence comes to light.

 

[dudalb]

Exactly, 3Point14. The idea that Brown was a criminal but his shooting was unjustified seems to beyond the ability of some people to grasp.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Re: conspiracy theories there are still lots of people who think Trayvon was targeted and flushed out by a team of like 8 racist conspirators including Zimmerman and his friend Mark Osterman plus several of the key witnesses. They think they can hear elaborate EVPs in the tapes, and all manner of nuttery.

Lots of people think a racist crew shoved Kendrick Johnson in the gym mat he crawled into himself, and that the entire Valdosta PD is covering it up.

I tend to default to the most straight forward assumption which fits best with how our society is today.

I assumed Dorian Johnson to be a liar and a criminal from moment 1, and assumed the same of Michael Brown. Brown would be lying about the encounter if he had survived, bet on that.

I assume his whole social circle, family, and neighborhood to be liars and criminals to various degrees (there are some exceptions I'm sure, probably some of the older residents) whose testimony cannot be trusted.

Their rioting only confirmed my perceptions.

I'd advise any good people left in Ferguson to move out, as most already have years ago.

 

[ehcks]

Exactly, 3Point14. The idea that Brown was a criminal but his shooting was unjustified seems to beyond the ability of some people to grasp.

All crimes are capital crimes. If a police officer killed someone, they deserved it. There are no alternatives.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Hell, GW Bush and Dick Cheney had drunk driving arrests. Bush probably used cocaine and Clinton most likely inhaled. You can find these kinds of petty records on half the country but somehow black kids with minor arrest records are scary black thugs. And if they happen to be shot, the petty arrest records are proof they were "violent felons".

That's nothing. Laura Bush actually killed somebody once.

 

[jimbob]

It's a violent crime. Most of us would be bloody terrified when physically intimidated and then pushed (that's an assault) by a man that outweighs us two to one.

I'm a fully fledged, card carrying, bleeding heart liberal and even I think that, on that one occasion on the tape, Brown is a violent criminal. I'm in no way condoning the shooting as there are simply not enough facts to establish if it was 'good' or not and judgement must be reserved on that until further evidence comes to light.

Exactly, 3Point14. The idea that Brown was a criminal but his shooting was unjustified seems to beyond the ability of some people to grasp.

That is my view, and I am pretty certain newyorkguy's at least.