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Michael Brown Shooting

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Distracted1 said:
Not that it is necessarily relevant to this incident. But I don't expect them to wait until they have reached the pearly gates to find out that the item in the hand of the man who just tried to beat the **** out of them was not a can of diet coke.
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And I did not say every cop who shoots an unarmed suspect is guilty of lying.

It doesn't matter what I actually posted, there's the usual bias in this forum trying to paint me as things I'm not. I don't hate the police. I don't think cops are all racists.

I do believe there are hot heads among them, they can't stand to have their authority challenged, and there are more like this that don't get caught on camera. After a police chase, for example, the adrenalin's pumping and they beat on the driver when they catch them.

They pull their guns and shoot accidentally, sometimes they shoot in anger. When that happens, that is not what they are going to say. They are going to say they thought they saw a gun whether they did or not.

To claim they all really did see a gun is as bad as saying none of them ever lied about such a thing.

Does anyone here honestly believe Officer Wilson is going to say, "I lost my temper?" He's going to say he thought he saw a weapon. It's a given. It doesn't really tell us one way or the other if he actually believed that.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Not that I care about your respect, but I was referring to the subset of cops who shoot unarmed suspects fleeing or not. Do they or do they not predictably claim the suspect was going for a gun? And is it or is it not sometimes found that is a self preservation lie?
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No, they do not predictably claim this.

Here's a case of a cop shooting and killing an unarmed suspect:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/0...oliceman-shoots-attacker-on-top-and-punching/
This was a justified case of self-defense, but the cop didn't claim the suspect was going for the cop's gun,.

Here's another case of a cop shooting and killing an unarmed suspect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
This was not a justified case of self-defense. The cop did not claim that the suspect was going for his gun.

While a cop might make a claim of the subject going for an officer's gun in order to justify a shooting (and furthermore that it's reasonable to ask for corroborating evidence before accepting such a claim), you're simply wrong that cops will predictably do so.
 
jimbob said:
Not a problem in the UK. Pedestrians are banned from motorways, and a ew other roads specifically stated. Small residential streets, no way. Sometimes the pavement (footway) is unsuitable.

/derail.
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In the US, it mainly invovles crossing a "controlled traffic street" in effect one with traffic lights.
Traffic Patterns are a lot different in the US then the UK.
 
Giordano said:
We ask and train the police to not panic or to make bad decisions. But they are people and they do so. Whether an illegal act is committed or not is one decision, even though the nature of the crime and its punishment can consider if someone panicked (involuntary murder/manslaughter) or did it with full intent (premeditated murder). I hope that if convicted the police officer's punishment would take into account if he panicked or not. Oddly however, many murderers do so in a panic. If guilty, in either case I would not think him to be appropriate as a police officer in the future.
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I would tend to agree, I doubt this officer ever returns to duty. Unless some nearly irrefutable evidence (likely a video) surfaces that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Brown did in fact assault the officer. The other officers at the scene back up Wilson's account, but I would of course expect them to.
 
Brainster said:
Did you get out of the street when you saw a car coming? I sure did. Also, how do you know it was a residential street? Consider this paragraph (from a USA Today article that I apparently can't link right now):

"Earlier in the day, Jackson had given barebones details about a strong-arm robbery at a local convenience store that took place moments before Wilson shot Brown, but he did not explain at the time that the shooting was not connected to the robbery."

And this:

"Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said."

Doesn't exactly sound like a quiet residential street to me.
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Here's a picture taken during the event.

https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/498185574713290752/photo/1

Typical residential street and not a throughway.

Also, this guy apparently witnessed the shooting.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...ael_Brown_Tweeted_in_Real_Time/comments/#ctop

He says Brown was shot from behind twice (although it isn't clear if that means he was hit) turned around, then was shot five times. Total of nine shots fired, the last five with his hands up.
 
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Distracted1 said:
Not directly.
This incident was initially portrayed as " good kid shot down by cop for walking while black ". The early posts totally discounted the claim by the officer that he was violently assaulted and nearly forcibly disarmed.
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My the story gets embellished.

Distracted1 said:
Why, it seemed conceded, would this high school graduate and gentle giant who was on his way to college do something as aggressive and violent as attacking a policeman?
The video of his actions just a short time prior ( in the store ) make the claims of assault made by the officer tremendously more credible.
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Why would a cop hassle two kids for walking in a residential street?


We've already established that it wasn't because the cop thought they were robbery suspects. Regardless of LTC8K6 trying to make the cop encountering robbery suspects, if that was actually the case, then the cop was incredibly sloppy. He should have called for back up and ordered the two men to the ground.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
My the story gets embellished.

Why would a cop hassle two kids for walking in a residential street?


We've already established that it wasn't because the cop thought they were robbery suspects. Regardless of LTC8K6 trying to make the cop encountering robbery suspects, if that was actually the case, then the cop was incredibly sloppy. He should have called for back up and ordered the two men to the ground.
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We know for a fact that Officer Wilson did not know about the alleged robbery at the time he approached the two kids.
 
Unabogie said:
Also, this guy apparently witnessed the shooting.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...ael_Brown_Tweeted_in_Real_Time/comments/#ctop

He says Brown was shot from behind twice (although it isn't clear if that means he was hit) turned around, then was shot five times. Total of nine shots fired, the last five with his hands up.
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Here is the actual twitter feed:
Upchurch said:
Someone in the comments of that story also linked to this:
witness to Brown killing
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Unabogie said:
Here's a picture taken during the event.

https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/498185574713290752/photo/1

Typical residential street and not a throughway.

Also, this guy apparently witnessed the shooting.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...ael_Brown_Tweeted_in_Real_Time/comments/#ctop

He says Brown was shot from behind twice (although it isn't clear if that means he was hit) turned around, then was shot five times. Total of nine shots fired, the last five with his hands up.
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Well, that would mean murder one for the officer then. Assuming the autopsy matches.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
My the story gets embellished.

Why would a cop hassle two kids for walking in a residential street?


We've already established that it wasn't because the cop thought they were robbery suspects. Regardless of LTC8K6 trying to make the cop encountering robbery suspects, if that was actually the case, then the cop was incredibly sloppy. He should have called for back up and ordered the two men to the ground.
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I have already agreed that he did not know they were robbery suspects initially, and stopped them for walking in the street.

Please stop.

How would he call for backup while in battle for his sidearm?
 
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I have to admit that arresting somebody on a deserted street in the middle of the night for jaywalking seems very,very,odd.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
That's who you were referring to when you used the phrase "typical cop"?

If so, you may want to remove the qualifier in your user name!
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Yes, because there was context in that post.

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William Parcher said:
Can or would they look for Brown's fingerprints somewhere on the gun?
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Good point.

But if Wilson is a typical cop he'll say Brown's hand didn't contact the gun.
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A cop who had nothing to hide (because most of them don't) then that isn't going to apply to them.


But I forgot about all the members of this forum that try hard to twist people's words so they can ridicule and belittle them.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, that would mean murder one for the officer then. Assuming the autopsy matches.
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Remember back when Trayvon was executed with multiple gunshots as he knelt and begged for his life?

Remember back when Renisha McBride was shot in the back of the head?

Remember back when Tawana Brawley and Crystal Mangum were raped?

Remember back when Kendrick Johnson was stuffed into a gym mat by the KKK in the middle of the school day instead of crawling into it himself trying to retrieve a sneaker?
 
jimbob said:
As an aside, why is jaywalking considered an offence in so many parts of the US?
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Presents danger to traffic and pedestrian alike, though I've jaywalked in front of cops who didn't care. I've never seen anyone get cited for it actually.
 
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