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Michael Brown Shooting

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Upchurch said:
FWIW, Chief Jackson: The convenience store robbery and Michael Brown shooting not connected
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Not directly.
This incident was initially portrayed as " good kid shot down by cop for walking while black ". The early posts totally discounted the claim by the officer that he was violently assaulted and nearly forcibly disarmed. Why, it seemed conceded, would this high school graduate and gentle giant who was on his way to college do something as aggressive and violent as attacking a policeman?
The video of his actions just a short time prior ( in the store ) make the claims of assault made by the officer tremendously more credible.
 
I wonder when the Police Chief will give use the officer's side? They must have his sworn statement by now, some pretty solid testimony.

Seems to me they have been doling out teasers, controlling the flow. Maybe for political/crowd control reasons?

One scenario- "We are going to press murder charges against the officer". Would that quiet the crowd?

Scenario two: "Brown assaulted the officer in his car. Officer's first shot was self defense. Subsequent shots were to stop a fleeing felon. Rightious shooting". Would that quiet the crowd? I think not. But I can see that dragging their feet on giving us the officer's side might make me lean this way. And 'working slowly' will let the crowd quiet down. I mean really, 3 days to count bullet holes in front or back?
 
Unabogie said:
Oh, please feel free to demonstrate this. I have pointed out that:

a) The crime that has recently been alleged is a minor crime, involving cigarillos.
b) The police neglected to mention this and in fact have stated it's unrelated to anything that happened that day.
c) There are three witnesses to what happened, and only one of the was with the victim that day.
d) I have never in my life had police tell people to get out of the street on a residential street (in fact, that's where I did all my baseball playing as a kid)

How did you arrive that I'm acting like a Tea Partier from that?
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It seems to be a class B felony in Missouri. 5-15 years for forcibly taking property.
 
Lerxst said:
Is it reasonable to believe that the officer shot an unarmed man (he was 18, and 6' 4" after all), execution style, in broad daylight in the middle of the street? No, that is not reasonable to me. Is it reasonable to believe the officer panicked when Brown panicked, things got out of control, poor decisions were made due to the stress of the situation, and Michael Brown ends up dead? That to me is very reasonable.
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We ask and train the police to not panic or to make bad decisions. But they are people and they do so. Whether an illegal act is committed or not is one decision, even though the nature of the crime and its punishment can consider if someone panicked (involuntary murder/manslaughter) or did it with full intent (premeditated murder). I hope that if convicted the police officer's punishment would take into account if he panicked or not. Oddly however, many murderers do so in a panic. If guilty, in either case I would not think him to be appropriate as a police officer in the future.
 
Distracted1 said:
Not directly.
This incident was initially portrayed as " good kid shot down by cop for walking while black ". The early posts totally discounted the claim by the officer that he was violently assaulted and nearly forcibly disarmed. Why, it seemed conceded, would this high school graduate and gentle giant who was on his way to college do something as aggressive and violent as attacking a policeman?
The video of his actions just a short time prior ( in the store ) make the claims of assault made by the officer tremendously more credible.
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You get the blue ribbon award for being right on the money, 100% correct about the key issue here.
 
Upchurch said:
Because it's dangerous for both pedestrians and drivers, I'd imagine.
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Not a problem in the UK. Pedestrians are banned from motorways, and a ew other roads specifically stated. Small residential streets, no way. Sometimes the pavement (footway) is unsuitable.

/derail.
 
Distracted1 said:
This incident was initially portrayed as "good kid shot down by cop for walking while black ". The early posts totally discounted the claim by the officer that he was violently assaulted and nearly forcibly disarmed. Why, it seemed conceded, would this high school graduate and gentle giant who was on his way to college do something as aggressive and violent as attacking a policeman?
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It is sad how often the media tries to shoehorn these cases into the bolded headline above, and interesting to ask why this is the case.
 
Unabogie said:
Oh, please feel free to demonstrate this. I have pointed out that:

a) The crime that has recently been alleged is a minor crime, involving cigarillos.
b) The police neglected to mention this and in fact have stated it's unrelated to anything that happened that day.
c) There are three witnesses to what happened, and only one of the was with the victim that day.
d) I have never in my life had police tell people to get out of the street on a residential street (in fact, that's where I did all my baseball playing as a kid)
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I realize you weren't addressing me, but:

a. IF that is Brown, he would have been looking at charges of robbery and assault. I would disagree those are minor crimes.
b. But the events that led up to this confrontation are in my opinion very relevant. It helps establish the state of mind of these two men, especially since we can't ask Michael Brown what he was thinking. If this goes to a trial it will certainly be relevant.
c. True, but they don't know what either Wilson or Brown are thinking, nor do they know the events that led up to this. With the exception of Johnson (sp) who appears to have been with Brown in the store.
d. I agree, which is why it would seem so odd that there isn't more to the story. It's just not reasonable for me to believe that he ended up dead because he was in the middle of the street. You might not be claiming that, but others are trying to make us think this cop just went crazy and executed this kid. I'm not buying that.
 
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dudalb said:
Well,that before any details came out you were taking the "Poor Innocent Black Kid Shot By the Evil Racist Cops" line has something to do with it.
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Oh, yeah? That's what I was saying? Quote me? Or is it more fun to just make things up?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
It is sad how often the media tries to shoehorn these cases into the bolded headline above, and interesting to ask why this is the case.
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But that doesn't matter. In several cases in the UK police have been officially criticised for shooting criminals when there were other options.
 
jimbob said:
As an aside, why is jaywalking considered an offence in so many parts of the US?
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Jaywalking is crossing the street somewhere other than at the corners.
Different from walking in the street.
I would not expect non-urban forum posters to relate to this particular behavior , as they likely rarely observe it. It is a passive-aggressive way of demonstrating what a badass you are. Here in Philly, it is common for the person or persons walking on the roadway ( where sidewalks are ubiquitous ) to give the driver ( sometimes me ) dirty looks and make their way to the sides as slowly as possible- thereby demonstrating what a bitch the driver is for not simply running them down. I could start a thread on it, but it is a likely digression in this one.
 
Lerxst said:
d. I agree, which is why it would seem so odd that there isn't more to the story. It's just not reasonable for me to believe that he ended up dead because he was in the middle of the street. You might not be claiming that, but others are trying to make us think this cop just went crazy and executed this kid. I'm not buying that.
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Now that we've all seen the Ferguson PD in action up close, what aspect of their judgement and policing style leads you to believe they are honest and trustworthy and would never engage in unnecessary escalation of a situation?
 
jimbob said:
As an aside, why is jaywalking considered an offence in so many parts of the US?
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For the same reason it is an offence in London. It it dangerous for both the jayhawker and the driver, and it plays hell with traffic.
 
Unabogie said:
d) I have never in my life had police tell people to get out of the street on a residential street (in fact, that's where I did all my baseball playing as a kid)
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Did you get out of the street when you saw a car coming? I sure did. Also, how do you know it was a residential street? Consider this paragraph (from a USA Today article that I apparently can't link right now):

"Earlier in the day, Jackson had given barebones details about a strong-arm robbery at a local convenience store that took place moments before Wilson shot Brown, but he did not explain at the time that the shooting was not connected to the robbery."

And this:

"Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said."

Doesn't exactly sound like a quiet residential street to me.
 
Distracted1 said:
Jaywalking is crossing the street somewhere other than at the corners.
Different from walking in the street.
I would not expect non-urban forum posters to relate to this particular behavior , as they likely rarely observe it. It is a passive-aggressive way of demonstrating what a badass you are. Here in Philly, it is common for the person or persons walking on the roadway ( where sidewalks are ubiquitous ) to give the driver ( sometimes me ) dirty looks and make their way to the sides as slowly as possible- thereby demonstrating what a bitch the driver is for not simply running them down. I could start a thread on it, but it is a likely digression in this one.
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^This. I grew up in the country & thought jaywalking was just something that was illegal in NYC til I was visiting family in Atlanta & they stopped me from crossing the street awsy from the crosswalks.
 
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