Michael Brown shooting II

[mgidm86]

Just WOW.

WOW? I'm sure if anyone could have found a reason to bring charges against Wilson it was Eric Holder.

 

[Cylinder]

Page 36, sub ii:

Witnesses Consistent with Prior Statements, Physical Evidence and Other Witnesses which Inculpate Wilson

There are no witnesses who fall under this category. ​

 

[Cylinder]

Johnson's narratives are categorized on pp. 44-47 under the heading Witnesses Whose Accounts Do Not Support a Prosecution Due to Materially Inconsistent Prior Statements or Inconsistencies With Physical and Forensic Evidence.

 

[Ammonitida]

Johnson's narratives are categorized on pp. 44-47 under the heading Witnesses Whose Accounts Do Not Support a Prosecution Due to Materially Inconsistent Prior Statements or Inconsistencies With Physical and Forensic Evidence.

The far left media for a while focused on witness 40 (who gave false statements) as if her testimony was instrumental in Wilson's defense, but under "witnesses whose accounts do not support the prosecution, due to materially inconsistent prior statements or inconsistencies with physical or forensic evidence", the amount of witnesses who lied in an attempt to frame officer Wilson is almost endless.

 

[dudalb]

Justice Deparment is pretty much where I stand:Wilson acted in self defense but the Ferguson PD is a badly run organization with some real problems vis a vis racism.
Wilson is off the hook as far as criminal charges go;but will still have to face the inevitible wrongful death Civil suit.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Johnson's narratives are categorized on pp. 44-47 under the heading Witnesses Whose Accounts Do Not Support a Prosecution Due to Materially Inconsistent Prior Statements or Inconsistencies With Physical and Forensic Evidence.

Do you recall the first story he told to the media?

"The officer is approaching us and as he pulled up on the side of us, he didn't say freeze, halt or anything like we were committing a crime. He said, 'Get the F on the sidewalk.'

After Johnson said the officer thrust open the door of his patrol car, hitting the pair, Johnson said the officer grabbed Brown around the neck and tried to pull him through the window. He said Brown never tried to reach for the officer's weapon.

source:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uson-missouri-teen-shooting-witness/13992387/

Really? Wilson was able to spin his SUV 90 degrees and end up so close to you and Brown that he was able to hit you with the door? And then Wilson tried to pull a VERY heavy man into a car? Why would a cop pull a guy into the same seat the cop is sitting in?

Honestly, I don't think Johnson could have done more to damage the case against Wilson if he had tried.

 

[Upchurch]

Justice Deparment is pretty much where I stand:Wilson acted in self defense but the Ferguson PD is a badly run organization with some real problems vis a vis racism.

I can agree with that. I will also reiterate my earlier contention that anyone who thinks the protests were just about Brown or Wilson were missing the point.

 

[dudalb]

I wonder if there will be another peaceful protest by the Apostles of St Michael in Ferguson,just like the peaceful protests in November. Or maybe there is nothing left to loot or burn........

 

[plague311]

but will still have to face the inevitible wrongful death Civil suit.

I think he'll have to face it, because people want to get paid for everything and anything; however, I don't think they'll get rewarded for it. There was nothing "wrongful" about it. It was blatant self-defense, and I think being backed by two individual reports would probably help Wilson's case.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I can agree with that. I will also reiterate my earlier contention that anyone who thinks the protests were just about Brown or Wilson were missing the point.

Brown was clearly the tipping point; but what I wonder is why all these people who have so much time to protest, don't have time to become politically active, and put a government in place that is sympathetic to their needs..

Where were they during the years of flagrant racial discrimination?

 

[Upchurch]

Brown was clearly the tipping point; but what I wonder is why all these people who have so much time to protest, don't have time to become politically active, and put a government in place that is sympathetic to their needs..

Where were they during the years of flagrant racial discrimination?

Being systemically oppressed for generations, learning that the system is set up against them and that disobedience, civil or otherwise, is sometimes the only option.

 

[Bogative]

Being systemically oppressed for generations, learning that the system is set up against them and that disobedience, civil or otherwise, is sometimes the only option.

Now the story of innocent Michael Brown being killed by a racist white cop who was let off by a racist system that systemically oppresses certain people can be added to the other stories of oppression that will be passed down for generations to come.

 

[Upchurch]

Now the story of innocent Michael Brown being killed by a racist white cop who was let off by a racist system that systemically oppresses certain people can be added to the other stories of oppression that will be passed down for generations to come.

First, what do you mean "now"? I was pointing this out to deaf ears last October and November:

Again, I think there is a bigger issue that is being overlooked in all the finger pointing. Namely, systemic racism in the justice and law enforcement systems and distrust of the police among the black community.

It's wrong, unfortunate, and symptomatic of the frustration he undoubtedly feels with a justice system that is pervasive with systemic racism. He's part of the problem.

You misunderstand what systemic racism in the justice system means. It doesn't mean that because it isn't easy to succeed that minorities turn to crime and violence.

It means that minorities are disproportionately scrutinized and punished than whites.

Some reading: Fourteen Examples of Racism in Criminal Justice System

What makes you think that they would just because they have numbers on their side? Systemic racism has plagued the justice system for generations. Why would that change simply because there are more police?

Second, I was pointing to the effect of systemic racism over the previous generations, not the effect of a single event on generations yet to come.

Third, I never said Wilson was racist. (Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I don't know.) I've been saying that there is systemic and, occasionally, systematic racism in the justice system. Fortunately, the latter is nowhere near as prevalent as it used to be.

Fourth, I'm not saying Brown is innocent. What I'm saying is that there is a larger issue underlying the protests and it isn't that black people are too lazy to get involved.

Your summary of what I said was wrong at just about every level. The only thing you got right were the words "systemically oppressed". Everything else you said was garbage.

 

[Bogative]

Your summary of what I said was wrong at just about every level. The only thing you got right were the words "systemically oppressed". Everything else you said was garbage.

My post was not intended to be a summary of what you said, it was meant to point out that the false narrative of Michael Brown saying "hands up, don't shoot" will be used by some as an example of "being systemically oppressed for generations" even though it was a complete lie.

 

[Upchurch]

My post was not intended to be a summary of what you said, it was meant to point out that the false narrative of Michael Brown saying "hands up, don't shoot" will be used by some as an example of "being systemically oppressed for generations" even though it was a complete lie.

Then why did you quote my post?

 

[Bogative]

Then why did you quote my post?

You mentioned those systemically oppressed by a system set up against them. I wanted to point out, in this case, that is a falsely held belief.

 

[Upchurch]

You mentioned those systemically oppressed by a system set up against them. I wanted to point out, in this case, that is a falsely held belief.

You may have missed the DOJ's report finding that it is not a falsely held belief. Here are some of the highlights.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Being systemically oppressed for generations, learning that the system is set up against them and that disobedience, civil or otherwise, is sometimes the only option.

That really doesn't address my comments..

What prevents a systematically oppressed group of people, from getting organized, and becoming the dominant force in a community where they hold a solid majority?

Why can't the same energies being spent on protest, be spent on putting people in office who better represent them?

 

[Upchurch]

That really doesn't address my comments..

Yes, it does. I was answering this question:

Brown was clearly the tipping point; but what I wonder is why all these people who have so much time to protest, don't have time to become politically active, and put a government in place that is sympathetic to their needs..

Where were they during the years of flagrant racial discrimination?

The following are different questions.

What prevents a systematically oppressed group of people, from getting organized, and becoming the dominant force in a community where they hold a solid majority?

Not "systematically oppressed", although that does appear to have happened as well, but "systemically oppressed".

And if the system is set up in such a way as to work against a group of people, it is the system itself which prevents that group from using the system in their favor. That's what systemic oppression is.

It's like asking "what prevents a group of people under the force of gravity from flying under their own power?" The question is self-answering.

 

[eeyore1954]

Being systemically oppressed for generations, learning that the system is set up against them and that disobedience, civil or otherwise, is sometimes the only option.

Maybe they should also have tried the ballot box for their community.

Nothing wrong with civil disobedience either although destruction of property and looting does not fall into that category. Although maybe in the overall picture that was a small part of the protests.