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No "witnesses" who didn't actually witness anything get put on the stand.

You do understand that this eliminates most of the "witnesses" who went on Oprah to tell us how St. Michael had his hands up and/or was running away and/or was shot in the back and/or was on his knees begging for his life, right?
 
Well, that's the point. It would be impossible for Wilson to know the difference - and while police shouldn't have an absolute right to use force, that would be enough for me to say "Yeah, I get it. It's a tragedy, but I fully understand why you felt the need to shoot. Let him go, reinstate him in the local PD."

Generally agree except on this point.

Wilson firing the gun while a fight is going on at the car is one issue, and a very good case could be made for firing shots at that point.

However the later fatal shots should in my view be treated as a separate incident and judged on its own merits - saying "shooting him is OK because he attacked a policeman earlier" is not acceptable in my view.
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10457822#post10457822


Posting a link to my previous statement about the fingerprints. It seems that those who are stating that the investigators should have fingerprinted are under the impression that the surface would have allowed fingerprints to be lifted. Sometimes that isn't always the case and the detective even stated as such, and then spoke with another investigator to confirm.

I, honestly, assumed that the police officer that was posting in this thread would have considered that as such. If we're just going to handwave away what the detective says because, obviously, every officer is corrupt, then fine. There's no reason to take this seriously. It's stated, both on Newton's link, and by the detective, that just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's practical.
 
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Generally agree except on this point.

Wilson firing the gun while a fight is going on at the car is one issue, and a very good case could be made for firing shots at that point.

However the later fatal shots should in my view be treated as a separate incident and judged on its own merits - saying "shooting him is OK because he attacked a policeman earlier" is not acceptable in my view.

But when he turns around and advances on the cop, the one he had just attacked seconds earlier, it becomes acceptable, no?
 
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Posting a link to my previous statement about the fingerprints. It seems that those who are stating that the investigators should have fingerprinted are under the impression that the surface would have allowed fingerprints to be lifted. Sometimes that isn't always the case and the detective even stated as such, and then spoke with another investigator to confirm.

"We didn't try because we thought it was unlikely to generate results" is different from "we could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both". And the detective, when answering the prosecutors questions, answered in the affirmative that he could only do one or the other. That's not true, and yet for some reason, both the detective AND the prosecutor acted like it was. I want to know why they think that.
 
"We didn't try because we thought it was unlikely to generate results" is different from "we could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both". And the detective, when answering the prosecutors questions, answered in the affirmative that he could only do one or the other. That's not true, and yet for some reason, both the detective AND the prosecutor acted like it was. I want to know why they think that.

It's spelled out pretty clear in the testimony. The detective said that getting a fingerprint from the gun would be difficult because of the location\surface that Brown grabbed the gun. Read through the link that was provided. I also spelled it out using your link and the detectives. Your link parrots what the detective said, that you can't get a fingerprint from every single surface and the location that Brown grabbed on the gun would be complicated to get a print from. They did a DNA test, but when doing the test they were swabbing through the location that the fingerprints could have been at, which again is a surface that wouldn't be good for prints.

Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it's always practical. There are millions of circumstances where that same logic comes in to play.
 
However the later fatal shots should in my view be treated as a separate incident and judged on its own merits - saying "shooting him is OK because he attacked a policeman earlier" is not acceptable in my view.

Neither the is objective measure. For instance, instead of being attacked in his patrol vehicle, Brown waits patiently to be detained while Wilson uses unlawful force -- let's say he came out of the car to meet a compliant Brown with baton strikes. That fact alone isn't technically dispositive, but may evidence some (profound) relevance to a finder of fact for any subsequent claim.

As far as the basis of the claim of self defense justification, Wilson is evaluated from his perspective at the time of the act(s) for which he claims that justification -- i.e. knowing what he knows.

In theory they (justifications of self defense) are evaluated in the same way as a civilian claim, though in reality the nature of a LEO's duties creates important distinctions. For instance, the concept of innocence -- that is (generally) the force cannot be provoked by the person later claiming justification (often as well as the result of criminal activity). If Darryl Wilson, a civilian, reverses to block Brown's path it would be argued as provocation.

The same applies to avoidance, the civilian has the responsibility to avoid conflicts that could lead to a claim of justification to varying degrees. A LEO is often tasked to be the actual agent of conflict. The hard question in the civilian analog is how can one claim to be in fear of death or bodily injury when they chased the guy down the street with a gun yelling for him to stop.

However, just as in a civilian analog, Wilson is allowed benefit of the knowledge he had just acquired regarding Brown's motive, intent and peacefulness.

Also remember that Wilson has to justify shooting Brown in the car in the same manner he has to justify shooting him in the street.
 
And that's why I said the trial should be public, and run ethically. Wilson's union would certainly cover his legal expenses - that's part of what they do - so he loses nothing. No "witnesses" who didn't actually witness anything get put on the stand. Every actual witness gets cross-examined. But the grand jury trial was a farce, and that's no good for anyone.

You don't see the major issue with this? (Other than the whole requirement by law and Constitutional due process that the Prosecutor has to show that he actually has a strong enough case to take to court in the first place before getting to do so.) Had they not allowed all the pro-Brown 'witnesses' who turned out to be lying through their teeth to testify, there'd now be lines of people calling that trial a 'show trial' and a scam because the TruthTM was covered up but not allowing those 'witnesses' to testify.
 
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I would like to see a breakdown of population by age and race. If the percentage of young black men is higher than other groups of young men, you would expect to see higher numbers of young black men arrested as young men are the most likely to have scrapes with the law.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rown-darren-wilson-shooting-charges/22127989/

WASHINGTON — The federal investigation into the shooting death of black Ferguson, Mo., teenager Michael Brown has yielded insufficient evidence to support criminal charges against white officer Darren Wilson, two U.S. officials said Wednesday.

The investigation into the shooting, which prompted months of unrest, was largely completed weeks ago, said the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.


It appears the FPD as a whole has issues, but not Darren Wilson individually.
 
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