Michael Avenatti thread

Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Absolutely with you. Avenatti is surprisingly the only source and an extremely vague one. Either way it’s a dumpster fire.
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Avenatti is a loyal, patriotic dumpster fire, dedicated to damaging Trump. When the nation is in peril, you go with the allies you have, not the allies you'd like.
 
Craig4 said:
Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
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Almost every civilization in history practiced slavery. Even the Jews. Even Africans. The idea that slavery is morally wrong is a relatively new concept.
 
Craig4 said:
Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
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I'm a little reluctant to totally throw Avenatti under the bus as I know that everyone was looking to take him down. That said, it was hard to consider him seriously. One moment the guy is representing a porn star and the next he is giving speeches in Iowa hinting at making a run for the Presidency? I thought he might take his publicity and possibly get a media gig. But he overshot. And this latest event seems enough to undo all the self promotion. Hard to see how he overcomes this.
 
Craig4 said:
Avenatti is a loyal, patriotic dumpster fire, dedicated to damaging Trump. When the nation is in peril, you go with the allies you have, not the allies you'd like.
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Change damaging to protecting and you have a reTrumplican rallying call.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm a little reluctant to totally throw Avenatti under the bus as I know that everyone was looking to take him down. That said, it was hard to consider him seriously. One moment the guy is representing a porn star and the next he is giving speeches in Iowa hinting at making a run for the Presidency? I thought he might take his publicity and possibly get a media gig. But he overshot. And this latest event seems enough to undo all the self promotion. Hard to see how he overcomes this.
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He can not only overcome this, but it could well benefit him, if it's proved he was set up with a false allegation. Time will tell. I'm still waiting for the investigation to be concluded before I have an opinion on his guilt.
 
False allegation set up?

She lived with him for several months!

It was yet another of his grifter tactics, the set up lie is ******* appalling.
 
Cain said:
Avenatti is a POS media-whore, and I long ago said we should ignore him and the Stormy Daniels nonsense. Unfortunately, Avenatti decided to screw up the Kavanaugh hearings with a client claiming "gang rapes." Even if the accusations against him are untrue, he should **** off.
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Agreed, although I don't think the Kavanaugh hearings would have come out any differently themselves the lasting reaction to them would be different.


Also, Avenatti's claim that because she posted a happy picture to instagram the day after proves she's lying is just moronic reasoning. The bruising was on her arm, even if it was on her face she could have covered it up with make-up, even if she didn't the picture doesn't have to be take the same day it is posted, and posting a 'happy' picture could be motivated by a desire to show resilience and assuage the fears of people who care about her.
 
Stacyhs said:
He can not only overcome this, but it could well benefit him, if it's proved he was set up with a false allegation. Time will tell. I'm still waiting for the investigation to be concluded before I have an opinion on his guilt.
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I agree, but it's hard to justify a real Presidential run. I mean think about it Stacy. He's never held political office. And while was successful as a thorn in Trump's side, he has not demonstrated being much else. I see him simply as a good tv lawyer. The kind of attorney who can deal with the media. But I have yet to hear anything from this guy other than he knows how to fight on TV. I'll take him tearing into Trump, but I want more than that out of the next POTUS.
 
Avenatti has been (and may continue to be) a sideshow attraction. I've been saying for a long time that going the Trump route but Democrat style would be a huge mistake. No one knows what he stands for other than "the guy who's been giving Trump fits and MAY HAVE helped bring down Mikey the Fixer. I take the Dem invitation to Iowa to be more and indication of the mood in the Democratic Party... Here's someone who at least calls Trump names right back in his face.

It would be hoped that "going high" is not a lost cause. You need some shock troops out there (James Carville, anyone?) but you do not need an attention whore bull in a china shop running for President on your party ticket. It's what the Republicans did and it got us where we are today. The idea would be to repair it, not emulate it and make it worse.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Avenatti has been (and may continue to be) a sideshow attraction. I've been saying for a long time that going the Trump route but Democrat style would be a huge mistake. No one knows what he stands for other than "the guy who's been giving Trump fits and MAY HAVE helped bring down Mikey the Fixer. I take the Dem invitation to Iowa to be more and indication of the mood in the Democratic Party... Here's someone who at least calls Trump names right back in his face.

It would be hoped that "going high" is not a lost cause. You need some shock troops out there (James Carville, anyone?) but you do not need an attention whore bull in a china shop running for President on your party ticket. It's what the Republicans did and it got us where we are today. The idea would be to repair it, not emulate it and make it worse.
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Right now, I'm hoping Beto runs. The party needs some youth not a Septuagenarian.

And Avenatti delivers that. I don't mind that he can get down in the mud. But he has to also prove to be aspirational and that he hasn't done to any where close to my satisfaction. Avenatti knows how to punch back but if that is the only note he can play, forget it.

I'm also not that enthused of the person who decides on public service and the first position he seeks is the Presidency.
 
It looks as if the accused is correct about everything outside the apartment and the accuser's story fits with what we know for inside the apartment. If that is the case then as far as guilt goes there is the question of how forceful and frightening the pillow striking, dragging and shouting were. But so far the accused seems to be denying the accusers account of what happened inside the apartment. The denial and whether there is proof either way is the key.
 
Woops - maybe wrong. I see the accusers account (according ro an accoubt i've juar read) does include some abuse type activity outside the apartment. It seems that part can be proved to be true or false.
 
The Big Dog said:
False allegation set up?

She lived with him for several months!

It was yet another of his grifter tactics, the set up lie is ******* appalling.
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Avenatti is irrelevant, and you know it.

Keep posting that faux outrage though, it's still hilarious.
 
acbytesla said:
I agree, but it's hard to justify a real Presidential run. I mean think about it Stacy. He's never held political office. And while was successful as a thorn in Trump's side, he has not demonstrated being much else. I see him simply as a good tv lawyer. The kind of attorney who can deal with the media. But I have yet to hear anything from this guy other than he knows how to fight on TV. I'll take him tearing into Trump, but I want more than that out of the next POTUS.
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I agree 100%. I would not favor him for POTUS. One inexperienced blowhard is enough.
 
acbytesla said:
Right now, I'm hoping Beto runs. The party needs some youth not a Septuagenarian.

And Avenatti delivers that. I don't mind that he can get down in the mud. But he has to also prove to be aspirational and that he hasn't done to any where close to my satisfaction. Avenatti knows how to punch back but if that is the only note he can play, forget it.

I'm also not that enthused of the person who decides on public service and the first position he seeks is the Presidency.
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I absolutely agree on the need for new blood in the national elections. We're arguing the credentials of people who will be septuagenarians if elected.

The issue within the party for the last several years is that the old guard (and we do mean "old") had all the photo ops and plum postings and the young 'uns weren't getting the air time. I mean, it's not like a conspiracy.... if you're booking talking heads and can get Clinton or Pelosi or Warren or Biden... people who've written policy and held some of the highest positions in the country, you're going to book them. The freshman class congressman from New Mexico gets coverage when his race(not color... electoral race) or his bill is in the news. All the free plugs on the talk show circuit go to the money players and there were just too damned many of them in the senior ranks.

That's why governorships are such a launching pad. Congress critters have too many years of dues to pay, but on a state level you can go from State Senator to State AG or Comptroller in a shorter period... Most governors come from those ranks, and as a result look a lot fresher than wheeling out the senior citizens in the leadership of the Dem caucus.

There will be star names out of the class of '18. Too many people, though, are still following the lead the media likes.... Oprah, Tom Cruise, Bloomberg, Will Smith, Avenatti. They want a marketable name.
 
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