Michael Avenatti thread

[Warp12]

<your criminal is worse than our criminal>

The point was, to imply that Dems are too virtuous to support someone suspected of crimes and/or unethical behavior is entirely disingenuous, and unsupported by history. You typically support a political ally/candidate until the baggage outweighs the potential upside. In the case of Avenatti, his baggage overwhelmed any potential upside fairly quickly. It is not comparable to the situation with Trump, obviously.

 

[acbytesla]

The point was, to imply that Dems are too virtuous to support someone suspected of crimes and/or unethical behavior is entirely disingenuous, and unsupported by history. You typically support a political ally/candidate until the baggage outweighs the potential upside. In the case of Avenatti, his baggage overwhelmed any potential upside fairly quickly. It is not comparable to the situation with Trump, obviously.

None of those things are true. I'm not sure the Dems are too virtuous at all. It's actually one of my complaints about the Democratic party. They far too often cut ties over almost nothing. I'm still annoyed that they drummed Al Franken out of the Senate. Only the Democrats could create a situation that led to a loss of a SCOTUS seat in 1968.


And it's not obvious at all.

Trump is the boil on the ass of the Republican party. It might be painful to lance that festering turd on your backside, but the GOP and the country would be better off to have done it years ago. The longer they wait the more destruction it causes the country or their party.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Where is all this supposed love for Avenatti? Seriously, where has he been held up and declared virtuous in such a manner as to later cause embarrassment when he does something ******?

Just because Trump ****** a porn performer and then paid her to keep quiet about it doesn't mean that the lawyer representing said performer is automatically assumed to be of upstanding character. If another politician publicly shamed Trump for cheating on his wife then he'd definitely be claiming the moral high ground and setting himself up for a fall if he was later found to be doing something unethical. But Avenatti was just acting as an attorney. Just because he represented a client exposing something sleazy done by someone else, no one with two brain cells to rub together is going to say, "hey! That guy must be a paragon of virtue". This is just a sad attempt to make Avenatti into an embarrassment to the Democrats on par with Trump's embarrassment to the Republicans.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Wire fraud;

Tax fraud;

But whatabout Trump?

Al Franken.

 

[Puppycow]

I gather the first few years of Avenatti's sentence must be served in a 'supermax 4' (maximum security) facility **. At least he won't have to worry about haemorrhoids.

** ETA >> I might be wrong about that. I hope not.

I can't find any confirmation that he'll be in supermax, and I doubt that it's true.

Supermax is for the most dangerous and violent offenders, not white-collar criminals.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
I gather the first few years of Avenatti's sentence must be served in a 'supermax 4' (maximum security) facility **. At least he won't have to worry about haemorrhoids.

** ETA >> I might be wrong about that. I hope not.

I can't find any confirmation that he'll be in supermax, and I doubt that it's true.

Supermax is for the most dangerous and violent offenders, not white-collar criminals.

Avenatti is currently serving his 5 year New York conviction at the low-security Federal Correctional Institution, Terminal Island, CA where he will also serve the 14 year sentence consecutively.

 

[kookbreaker]

Where is all this supposed love for Avenatti? Seriously, where has he been held up and declared virtuous in such a manner as to later cause embarrassment when he does something ******?

Just because Trump ****** a porn performer and then paid her to keep quiet about it doesn't mean that the lawyer representing said performer is automatically assumed to be of upstanding character. If another politician publicly shamed Trump for cheating on his wife then he'd definitely be claiming the moral high ground and setting himself up for a fall if he was later found to be doing something unethical. But Avenatti was just acting as an attorney. Just because he represented a client exposing something sleazy done by someone else, no one with two brain cells to rub together is going to say, "hey! That guy must be a paragon of virtue". This is just a sad attempt to make Avenatti into an embarrassment to the Democrats on par with Trump's embarrassment to the Republicans.

Indeed. Recall that the first reaction to this story breaking by Republicans was to try and slander Stormy Daniels. Trouble is, the usual tactics the GOP tries with situations like this didn't work: You really can't slut shame a porn star.

Then Avenatti came on the scene and there were certainly some cheers as it looked like he had Trump supporters on the ropes. But he definitely overplayed his hand, claiming to have other clients. However, as with all Trump scandals, a new scandal arose that washed away attention on the previous scandal (the Trump admin was a Ponzi scheme of scandals) and the court eventually went against Daniels and Avenatti - which was bizarrely seen as some kind of vindication by the Trumpians since yes, he did have sex with a porn star while his wife was with a newborn but somehow his hush money being legally binding was a win. By this point Avenatti was quite obviously overplaying his hand even more with talk of being a presidential candidate and all and most folks just sort of dropped their interest.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Indeed. Recall that the first reaction to this story breaking by Republicans was to try and slander Stormy Daniels. Trouble is, the usual tactics the GOP tries with situations like this didn't work: You really can't slut shame a porn star.

Then Avenatti came on the scene and there were certainly some cheers as it looked like he had Trump supporters on the ropes. But he definitely overplayed his hand, claiming to have other clients. However, as with all Trump scandals, a new scandal arose that washed away attention on the previous scandal (the Trump admin was a Ponzi scheme of scandals) and the court eventually went against Daniels and Avenatti - which was bizarrely seen as some kind of vindication by the Trumpians since yes, he did have sex with a porn star while his wife was with a newborn but somehow his hush money being legally binding was a win. By this point Avenatti was quite obviously overplaying his hand even more with talk of being a presidential candidate and all and most folks just sort of dropped their interest.

I always saw Avenatti as something of an over-publicized ambulance chaser. Some people seem to want to impose a simplistic oppositional dichotomy where if one party is a ****-bag, then the other clearly must be virtuous in order to point that out. And if the latter turns out to be a ****-bag, then the former is somehow exonerated of ****-baggery. This ignores the fact that a ****-bag can be accurately accused of ****-baggery by another ****-bag. Just look at all the mobsters convicted with evidence provided by other mobsters.