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Mexico's Outrage . . .

Cavemonster said:
All that is if you simply view the efforts as adding expense. If they also diminish the rate of flow of drugs, again, they can only make them so much more expensive. Less product flowing in, less money flowing back.
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Yes - in theory this is true.

In practise drug prices are on a decades long trend of decline. So it appears the many many billions spent so far have maybe only stopped it from dropping faster than it has. There are momentary "victories" (if we judge restricted supply and higher prices for brief periods with certain drugs a victory, I'd rather look at metrics that count harm from drugs at the user level) Thats the best you can say.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/11/16/illegal-drugs-price-potency/
 
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^^ plus alternatives exist. If price of one way of getting opium derivatives gets pricey people move to alternate sources.

For other drugs they may just seek alternative drugs entirely - MDMA instead of blow or vice versa. Linked article above mentions how local markets shifted drugs in response to temporary supply restrictions.

Pot and booze are on this level which is why the alcohol industry has been a big contributor to DARE, well Im sure they were heartfelt Drug Warriors like everyone was in the 80s, but it also helped keep a potential sap on their nightly bar sales at bay to demonize pot.
 
xjx388 said:
Oh sure, I'm sure Mexico City (never been) has great shopping. I'm thinking places like Monterrey, San Luis Potosi which certainly isn't devoid of shopping but has nowhere near the selection of McAllen. After speaking with a friend of mine who lives in Monterrey, the main reason they come here to shop is that it's much cheaper to buy stuff here. The markup related to import taxes and such is enough to make it a bargain to cross over and shop here. I wonder how much tax it would take to truly discourage them from coming.
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So your statement that you had been " all over Mexico but I've never seen a retail environment that is comparable to what we have even here in a small border city like McAllen," was what? An alternative fact? Magical realism?
 
xjx388 said:
Oh sure, I'm sure Mexico City (never been) has great shopping. I'm thinking places like Monterrey, San Luis Potosi which certainly isn't devoid of shopping but has nowhere near the selection of McAllen. After speaking with a friend of mine who lives in Monterrey, the main reason they come here to shop is that it's much cheaper to buy stuff here. The markup related to import taxes and such is enough to make it a bargain to cross over and shop here. I wonder how much tax it would take to truly discourage them from coming.
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:jaw-dropp

Again, I LIVE in Mexico. Trust me, we don't need to drive/fly to the US to find US products. That is the point. Stop saying something that isn't true. Also, the prices are darn near the same, if not slightly cheaper here. Because economics.

BTW, we even have...gasp...internet and cars and motorcycles and houses and TV and...
 
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chrispy said:
:jaw-dropp

Again, I LIVE in Mexico. Trust me, we don't need to drive/fly to the US to find US products. That is the point. Stop saying something that isn't true. Also, the prices are darn near the same, if not slightly cheaper here. Because economics.

BTW, we even have...gasp...internet and cars and motorcycles and houses and TV and...
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Do you have walls?
Want one?
 
chrispy said:
:jaw-dropp

Again, I LIVE in Mexico. Trust me, we don't need to drive/fly to the US to find US products. That is the point. Stop saying something that isn't true. Also, the prices are darn near the same, if not slightly cheaper here. Because economics.

BTW, we even have...gasp...internet and cars and motorcycles and houses and TV and...
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Wow, you guys also have a computer in your village too!

(Couldn't help myself. That was something someone said, seriously, to my brother when they found out we were living in New Mexico)
 
Newtons Bit said:
Wow, you guys also have a computer in your village too!

(Couldn't help myself. That was something someone said, seriously, to my brother when they found out we were living in New Mexico)
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HAHAHA! I played in a basketball tournament recently way up in the mountains in a town that had the 'town computer'. Small farming village about an hour drive from any other populated area.
 
dudalb said:
A long history of the US trying to meddle in Mexican Internal affairs and a tendacy to treat Mexico with comtempt,and the whole issue of economic imperialism.
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And that whole stealing California thing.

(Always confused by the US attitude towards Hispanics when they literally annexed a whole Hispanic territory.)
 
chrispy said:
:jaw-dropp

Again, I LIVE in Mexico. Trust me, we don't need to drive/fly to the US to find US products. That is the point. Stop saying something that isn't true. Also, the prices are darn near the same, if not slightly cheaper here. Because economics.

BTW, we even have...gasp...internet and cars and motorcycles and houses and TV and...
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That's Mexican reality. Ours is new and improved, free of fattening facts.
 
3point14 said:
And that whole stealing California thing.

(Always confused by the US attitude towards Hispanics when they literally annexed a whole Hispanic territory.)
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Like England and Ireland?

Two can play at that game....
 
dudalb said:
Like England and Ireland?

Two can play at that game....
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I'm not sure what you mean here. If you want to accuse England of stealing other people's countries, you can go a lot further afield and a lot bigger than Ireland. England stole whole bloody continents*. Doesn't make it right.


My statement with regards to the American invasion and annexation of large parts of Mexico in no way obviates my country from all the terrible things it's done.

You seem to have missed my point. I wasn't talking about England and her imperial conquests, I was talking about the US and it's imperial conquests.




(*The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, French and others helped)
 
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chrispy said:
:jaw-dropp

Again, I LIVE in Mexico. Trust me, we don't need to drive/fly to the US to find US products. That is the point. Stop saying something that isn't true. Also, the prices are darn near the same, if not slightly cheaper here. Because economics.

BTW, we even have...gasp...internet and cars and motorcycles and houses and TV and...
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I understand what you are saying. I have lived on the border of Mexico almost my whole life. I have friends/family in Monterrey and San Luis Potosí. I understand that it's not a complete wasteland devoid of shopping and consumer goods. But the fact remains that shoppers from Mexico come here in droves. Many of them I have gotten to know through various business and personal dealings. They come here because it's cheaper and there is more variety. If they don't need to make the trip then why do they? Besides the ones that drive hours to get here, there are buses that bring them over on shopping junkets. They then take everything out of boxes/remove tags/etc to avoid paying taxes at the border. If the same stuff is available at around the same price then it really makes no sense for Mexican shoppers to do what they do.
 
bruto said:
So your statement that you had been " all over Mexico but I've never seen a retail environment that is comparable to what we have even here in a small border city like McAllen," was what? An alternative fact? Magical realism?
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No, simple observation. The places I've been to in Mexico do not have what we have. I don't see how that is controversial. Why, if Mexico's retail environment is so comparable to smaller Texas cities like McAllen to say nothing of Houston or even San Antonio, do so many Mexican citizens take the time and trouble to travel across a national border just to buy the same consumer goods that are available in their home country?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/30/mexican-sales-tax-shopping-texas/3790969/
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ers-worth-billions-to-area-stores-4428805.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/24border.html

Like I said, lower prices and better selection. So obviously, the kinds of shopping centers you find in Mexico City are not reflective of what is available in the rest of the country. And even with such a great shopping center in their own country, Mexicans still take the time and effort to travel to places like McAllen to do their shopping.
 
bruto said:
So, not to nag, but what about post #37? Accuracy seems scanty here.
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How is it inaccurate? Mexico City might have a few nice malls but Mexico is more than Mexico City. See above.
 
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