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Mexico's Outrage . . .

My mom drives three hours to go to an outlet mall. She can afford retail but likes to think she is getting a deal.

But I doubt she would cross an international border and then remove tags/boxes etc to avoid import taxes just for the "deals" at an outlet. It would have to be a deal that would more than make up for the effort involved.
 
Again, whether or not Mexico has comparable shopping is a side issue, which I'm willing to discuss. It may very well have. The fact is that Mexican shoppers still prefer to shop here and that we are very much willing to take their money. My larger point is that most of that money comes off the backs of the poor in Mexico.

McAllen, Laredo, et. al. are majority Democratic Party areas. I see a contradiction between the ideals espoused by the Democratic Party (high minimum wage, worker protections, etc) and the willingness to benefit financially from an exploitative and oppressive system.
 
Again, whether or not Mexico has comparable shopping is a side issue, which I'm willing to discuss. It may very well have. The fact is that Mexican shoppers still prefer to shop here and that we are very much willing to take their money. My larger point is that most of that money comes off the backs of the poor in Mexico.

McAllen, Laredo, et. al. are majority Democratic Party areas. I see a contradiction between the ideals espoused by the Democratic Party (high minimum wage, worker protections, etc) and the willingness to benefit financially from an exploitative and oppressive system.

Why? Do you think only the Republican Party has cognitive dissonance?
 
We are getting bogged down in minutiae. You say Mexicans on the frontier come in droves to buy American goods. Some even get bussed in. I live in the South of Mexico (State of Oaxaca to be exact) and say that, even in my remote area of the state, we have access to everything I had access to in the states. Sure, sometimes I drive or take a bus for an hour, but I also used to drive the same amount of time in the states for certain items. Anyway, besides this side-track, what does the fact that some Mexicans cross the border have to do with the fact that Mexico is the second highest purchaser of American goods? It came across this way, so don't hate me if I misinterpereted, but surely that ain't because we all cross the border to buy stuff. It is because of US-Mexico trade relations. Import-Export... you know, complicated stuff like that
 
We are getting bogged down in minutiae. You say Mexicans on the frontier come in droves to buy American goods. Some even get bussed in. I live in the South of Mexico (State of Oaxaca to be exact) and say that, even in my remote area of the state, we have access to everything I had access to in the states. Sure, sometimes I drive or take a bus for an hour, but I also used to drive the same amount of time in the states for certain items.
No doubt stuff is available in Mexico. I'm sure you can buy much the same stuff. You are missing the point. I never said stuff wasn't available, only that the shopping environment is not the same as it is in the US. The news stories I linked to earlier quote Mexican shoppers as saying they come here for the selection and the price. Maybe you wouldn't drive from Oaxaca, but I can assure you people come from as far away as Mexico City to shop here. The question is: why?

Anyway, besides this side-track, what does the fact that some Mexicans cross the border have to do with the fact that Mexico is the second highest purchaser of American goods? It came across this way, so don't hate me if I misinterpereted, but surely that ain't because we all cross the border to buy stuff. It is because of US-Mexico trade relations. Import-Export... you know, complicated stuff like that
I never said that retail sales was the big contributor to the entire US-Mexico trade relationship. I said that it was a big contributor to the economies of the border cities like McAllen. Mexican retail shopping contributed $4.5 billion dollars to the economies of the border counties in Texas. That's just border counties in Texas, mind you. It's the lifeblood of these border towns and $4.5 billion ain't nothing to sneeze at.
 
Why? Do you think only the Republican Party has cognitive dissonance?

Definitely not.

My former accountant was based in Dallas. He used to make a joke that everyone in South Texas was a loyal Democrat . . . until it came to their money, then they were all good little Republicans.
 
In a debate, I remember DJT pronouncing "hombres" (men) as "hambres" (plural of hunger, which doesn't make sense). He would probably pronounce "taco" as "taycoh."
 
In a debate, I remember DJT pronouncing "hombres" (men) as "hambres" (plural of hunger, which doesn't make sense). He would probably pronounce "taco" as "taycoh."

Making sense has never been a big concern of his.
 
This is pretty messed up! Mexico and the United States have been allies for decades.
The US troops thing was false, according to the Mexican State Department.

Which doesn't necessarily mean it's false.
 
The US troops thing was false, according to the Mexican State Department.

Which doesn't necessarily mean it's false.
No one would want to admit to it. Hard as it may be for some to believe, Mexicans have national pride, too, and finding out that the US President was threatening a *********** invasion and the Mexican President let it pass wouldn't be good for their President in specific and their government in general.

Here's the thing: If the same was reported about President Obama, or even President Bush before him, nobody would believe it for a second. Today, with the President we have? It's easy for anyone to believe.
 
Again, whether or not Mexico has comparable shopping is a side issue, which I'm willing to discuss. It may very well have. The fact is that Mexican shoppers still prefer to shop here and that we are very much willing to take their money. My larger point is that most of that money comes off the backs of the poor in Mexico.

McAllen, Laredo, et. al. are majority Democratic Party areas. I see a contradiction between the ideals espoused by the Democratic Party (high minimum wage, worker protections, etc) and the willingness to benefit financially from an exploitative and oppressive system.
No, you're NOT willing to discuss it really, though, are you? You claim to have been "ALL OVER" Mexico and not found anyplace that compares to your town in Texas, but "ALL OVER" Mexico does not include Mexico City. When a Mexican posts with contradiction, you shuck it off. If you cannot just say you were wrong when you obviously are wrong, then nobody can believe anything you say, can they?

I'm perfectly willing to believe that things are better on our side of the border, and I'm perfectly willing to say I'd rather shop here than there, and that there are undoubtedly plenty of reasons why many Mexicans would rather shop here than there too. But reality is still real too. Mexico is a big place. I would expect some pretty nice shopping in Cancun too, but since I have not been there and you have, I'm sure you can set me right.
 
No, you're NOT willing to discuss it really, though, are you? You claim to have been "ALL OVER" Mexico and not found anyplace that compares to your town in Texas, but "ALL OVER" Mexico does not include Mexico City. When a Mexican posts with contradiction, you shuck it off. If you cannot just say you were wrong when you obviously are wrong, then nobody can believe anything you say, can they?
I've been all over the US, but not Chicago. Is it safe to assume that Chicago is pretty much like every other major American city when it comes to shopping? Likewise, I've been to Monterrey, Mazatlan, Saltillo, San Luis Potosí, Cozumel, Cancùn, Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, Tecate, many villages I don't know the names of and just about every city on the Texas border along with Tijuana. Am I wrong to assume that those cities are pretty representative of what to expect in the few major cities I might have missed? I can say confidently that the retail market for electronics, clothing and other consumer goods in those cities does not compare to what's available in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. Most of them don't even compare to Falfurrias, Texas (slight exaggeration)! I'm not saying that you can't buy stuff there. But if you want the latest models of TV or expensive designer clothes, for example, that's very hard to find. So Mexicans come here by the bus load.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that things are better on our side of the border, and I'm perfectly willing to say I'd rather shop here than there, and that there are undoubtedly plenty of reasons why many Mexicans would rather shop here than there too. But reality is still real too. Mexico is a big place. I would expect some pretty nice shopping in Cancun too, but since I have not been there and you have, I'm sure you can set me right.
Eh. No one goes to Cancun for shopping. There are some nice "malls" there and a smallish outlet mall but nothing like home.

There are many reasons Mexicans shop here: Status, combining family visits/business trips, etc. But prices and variety is top of the list.
 
Here's the thing: If the same was reported about President Obama, or even President Bush before him, nobody would believe it for a second. Today, with the President we have? It's easy for anyone to believe.

Behold! The power of crazy.
 
Behold! The power of crazy.

Before the election: (Trump says something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible about what he's going to do)
Supporters: "Don't worry! He's not really going to do that!"

Week 1 in office: (Trump does something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible )
Supporters: "He's just doing what he said he'd do!"

Week 2 in office: (Trump says something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible about what he's going to do)
Supporters: "Don't worry! He's not really going to do that!"
 
Before the election: (Trump says something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible about what he's going to do)
Supporters: "Don't worry! He's not really going to do that!"

Week 1 in office: (Trump does something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible )
Supporters: "He's just doing what he said he'd do!"

Week 2 in office: (Trump says something crazy and/or stupid and/or horrible about what he's going to do)
Supporters: "Don't worry! He's not really going to do that!"

It's not like Trump has cornered the market on irrational.
 
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Eh. No one goes to Cancun for shopping. There are some nice "malls" there and a smallish outlet mall but nothing like home.

Yeah, I haven't been to Cancun in awhile, but this didn't ring true.
http://www.lasplazasoutletcancun.mx/content/tiendas/
http://www.laislacancun.mx/content/tiendas
http://www.kukulcanplaza.mx/nosotros.html
http://luxuryavenue.com/
http://gran-plaza-cancun.com/#!/tiendas (The Walmart)
http://flamingo.com.mx/tiendas.html
I've been to other Mexican cities as well and found plenty of shopping.


ETA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart_de_México_y_Centroamérica
Walmart's Mexico division, the largest outside the U.S. as of December 31, 2016, consists of 2,402[2] stores around the country, including 259 Walmart Supercenters stores and 160 Sam's Club stores. It has been traded in the Mexican Stock Exchange since 1977 (as Cifra).[3] Wal-Mart de México y Centroamérica is the biggest retailer in Latin America.

If you don't like wiki:
http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/our-business/international/walmart-mexico
http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/locations/mexico#/mexico

ETA: Tiendas = stores.
 
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No one would want to admit to it. Hard as it may be for some to believe, Mexicans have national pride, too, and finding out that the US President was threatening a *********** invasion and the Mexican President let it pass wouldn't be good for their President in specific and their government in general.

Here's the thing: If the same was reported about President Obama, or even President Bush before him, nobody would believe it for a second. Today, with the President we have? It's easy for anyone to believe.

“I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.”

If Trump thinks the Mexican military is 'scared' maybe he thinks an invasion will be an easy and quick 'victory' to enhance his prestige as Commander in Chief.
After all he says he knows more than the generals.
 

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