Medium to the Stars?

the Sphinx said:
Henry would have to be insanely foolish to submit to Randi's little marking ploy in which he would take people clearly intellectually and emotionally challenged and put them through a "test."

The scientific community ridiculed Aljvarez, Wegener for years. They are now doing it to Loeb, based on what should have been obvious science. Examine the quotes from the 1970's ridiculing those who thought people were in America thousands of years pre-Clovis, and you think Henry would have a chance trying to establish inner experiences with a team of Randi nuts? All the scientific community needed to do was dig deeper, deeper than Clovis, and they got it wrong.

If you think Henry is a fraud, produce some evidence. Don't write to me about con men unless you have evidence such con men exist.
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There is you problem. You are unable to comprehend that science moves on, James Randi is long dead and that snake oil salesmen have always existed. But you are stuck in the 70's and refuse to budge out of it.

For example, account for me how it is that the Mungo populated Australia tens of thousands of years before Clovis was even a frisky sparkle in his mom's eye. Can you even attempt that?
 
the Sphinx said:
Henry would have to be insanely foolish to submit to Randi's little marking ploy in which he would take people clearly intellectually and emotionally challenged and put them through a "test."
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The only reason most MDC claimants could be so described is that those at whom it was actually aimed - the professionals like Gellar and Sylvia Browne - refused to take it. They knew that a simple test (no quotation marks required) which correctly used the scientific method would show them up as the frauds they were. As long as Henry declines to take such a test it is reasonable to assume that is also his reason for doing so.

The scientific community ridiculed Aljvarez, Wegener for years. They are now doing it to Loeb, based on what should have been obvious science. Examine the quotes from the 1970's ridiculing those who thought people were in America thousands of years pre-Clovis, and you think Henry would have a chance trying to establish inner experiences with a team of Randi nuts? All the scientific community needed to do was dig deeper, deeper than Clovis, and they got it wrong.
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Utterly irrelevant. We're not talking about the sort of facts which are difficult to establish. We're talking about facts that are easily established with a simple test.

If you think Henry is a fraud, produce some evidence. Don't write to me about con men unless you have evidence such con men exist.
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Once again: the ball is in Henry's court. As long as he chooses not to submit to proper testing the null hypothesis stands.
 
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Resume said:
Highly edited TV shows as evidence? Bwahahahahaha!!


Firstly, what is "higher consciousness?" Secondly, link to those studies please.
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Read "Man and his becoming according to Vedanta" to understand higher states of consciousness.

Demonstrate to me that you have done due diligence on Henry and you aren't just pulling your opinion from your @ss, then I'll search up the EEG studies. There is the John Edwards stuff from the Univ of AZ. Has that been refuted? I don't follow Edwards.

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The edited TV shows are not the evidence, the evidence is inferred from the weekly situation involving so many people directly involved in that process and what they says about the odds the show is faked.
 
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>>proper testing the null hypothesis stands.

If you want to stay in your bubble, sure. Believe anything you like. Meanwhile, I'm waiting on the evidence you used that caused you to conclude there are hot and cold readings. Instead of making statements, point to actual evidence. What shows specifically have you watched?
 
Pixel42 said:
Once again: the ball is in Henry's court. As long as he chooses not to submit to proper testing the null hypothesis stands.
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Well, I gave that some consideration. Suppose I was placed on some pedestal and put to the test by Henry?

What would Henry already know?

From this website alone, Henry would know I am late middle age white man, graduate engineer, divorced, two kids one of whom is trans, both parents deceased, mother suddenly, father in long drawn out parkies. Eldest sibling had breast cancer and elected to have mastectomy and reconstruction in a single op.

And that is only information posted on this site. This one site.

And I am no celebrity.

So when sphinx claims there is no way Henry could have known that, he/she/it can foxtrot right oscar. It is ludicrous.

Out of those bare facts, that are publicly available on this site, I could assemble a "reading" that would be horribly convincing to some credules. Would I have to fill in some blanks? Sure, but that is easy, it is part of the patter.
 
the Sphinx said:
>>proper testing the null hypothesis stands.

If you want to stay in your bubble, sure. Believe anything you like. Meanwhile, I'm waiting on the evidence you used that caused you to conclude there are hot and cold readings. Instead of making statements, point to actual evidence. What shows specifically have you watched?
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I need no "shows" or "TV" I have done hot and cold readings myself.
 
xjx388 said:
The likelihood is that the crew, at least some of them, know exactly what is going on. I’m sure they’ve signed NDAs, which is standard in the industry.
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NDAs are meaningless as evidenced by the number of reality shows that have been outed. And they don't last longer than one year and they don't cover fraud. Catfish was outed based on fraud.

As far as cold and hot reading, the visual evidence and Henry's speech pattern suggests he uses neither. Many of the things he refers to on the show could not be discoverable in any hot reading, and he clearly is not doing a cold reading. That would be obvious if you watch a few youtube videos of people doing a cold reading and then watch Henry.

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But he is not talking to dead people.
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You have no way of knowing if he is or is not talking to dead people. Because you have not been to London, it does not mean London does not exist.
 
abaddon said:
I need no "shows" or "TV" I have done hot and cold readings myself.
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LOL

Do one and send us the link, and we'll compare it to Henry or John Edward and at that point my argument will have been made
 
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the Sphinx said:
Read "Man and his becoming according to Vedanta" to understand higher states of consciousness.
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Nope, define higher consciousness in concrete and coherent language.

Demonstrate to me that you have done due diligence on Henry and you aren't just pulling your opinion from your @ss, then I'll search up the EEG studies. There is the John Edwards stuff from the Univ of AZ. Has that been refuted? I don't follow Edwards.
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Nope, mentalism is demonstrable phenomenon, a parlor trick, done by many. Psychic mediumship has never been demonstrated under properly controlled conditions. As for Garry Schwartz . . . You really don't know where you are, do you? Refuted? It was never futed to begin with.*
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What's moronic is falling for a heavily edited and produced TV show, the very essence of marketing. Evidence for this mentalist's "powers" would be passing a simple test, something he will never do.

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Schwartz is well known for his book The Afterlife Experiments: Breakthrough Scientific Evidence of Life After Death (2003), cowritten with William Simon and Deepak Chopra. The experiments described in the book have received criticism from the scientific community for being inadequately designed and using poor controls.

Schwartz claims to be a medium. In one case he claimed to contact the spirit of a 25-year old man in the bathroom of his parents' house and it was alleged he attempted to charge the family 3.5 million dollars for his mediumship services. The allegations were featured on Fox News.[
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the Sphinx said:
Read "Man and his becoming according to Vedanta" to understand higher states of consciousness.

Demonstrate to me that you have done due diligence on Henry and you aren't just pulling your opinion from your @ss, then I'll search up the EEG studies. There is the John Edwards stuff from the Univ of AZ. Has that been refuted? I don't follow Edwards.

Finally, don't be a moron. The edited TV shows are not the evidence, the evidence is inferred from the weekly situation involving so many people directly involved in that process and what they says about the odds the show is faked.
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It says the odds are extremely high that it’s fake.

I like this quote from John Oliver after breaking apart a reading Henry did for Matt Lauer:

Look, maybe Tyler Henry genuinely accessed the afterlife, an action which would fundamentally change our understanding of everything on Earth. Or maybe he just googled ‘Matt Lauer Dad’ and hit the ******* jackpot.
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abaddon said:
Well, I gave that some consideration. Suppose I was placed on some pedestal and put to the test by Henry?

What would Henry already know?

From this website alone, Henry would know I am late middle age white man, graduate engineer, divorced, two kids one of whom is trans, both parents deceased, mother suddenly, father in long drawn out parkies. Eldest sibling had breast cancer and elected to have mastectomy and reconstruction in a single op.

And that is only information posted on this site. This one site.

It is ludicrous.
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What is ludicrous is that you clearly have never watched the show, and if you do decide to watch, you'll see at once the type of information he provides--not always--could not possibly be discovered for a hot reading.

Right now I'm sitting in a room with a small box (for real) and in that box is something that is precious to me from my deceased father. There isn't any way on God's earth you could "hot read" what is in the box. Henry can. And even if they edited out five misses, to get this one box hit right, and you are looking a monstrous odds that statistically make the misses meaningless.

The whole "hot reading" thing is over-blown and I would suggest no one could practically use it to conduct a reading. The time to research it alone would make it financially impractical.
 
the Sphinx said:
LOL

Do one and send us the link, and we'll compare it to Henry or John Edward and at that point my argument will have been made
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John Edward, You cited John Edward. That is hilarious.

Exactly which part of "I packed it in because I found it to be abusive" is causing you comprehension problems?

Are you differently abled or something?
 

Psychics: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Thank you to xjx388 for reminding me of this particularly amusing takedown of these . . . people.
 
I'll ask the Sphinx the exact question I asked the thread's previous apologist: Are you Henry's agent?
 
xjx388 said:
It says the odds are extremely high that it’s fake.

I like this quote from John Oliver after breaking apart a reading Henry did for Matt Lauer:
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I like the quote from Matt Lauer in which he still stands by the reading. Something is going on unless you want to argue Lauer is an idiot.

There was detail in the reading Oliver stripped out in order to be funny. For example, Matt does his fishing these days alone in the boat. Who goes out alone into a vast bay alone to fish? The phone was held to his Dad's ear for a final family conversation. And so on. Only time a phone to ear was suggested in a hundred readings. And if we're going to do that, I've got a few dozen instances where there could not possibly be something referenced online.

It is also possible Henry and the 80 man TV crew are engaged in an elaborate fraud, good enough to fool industry executives--that certainly is possible. Unlikely for a 20 year old. Non-college kid. He must have incredible research abilities.
 
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