Media Matters' war against Fox

Neally said:
Well then, do present your objective, non opinionated analysis supporting the claim that GOP candidates are nuttier than squirrel poop.
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No. I'd rather see you prove that they are not. You made the original claim that they are better than Obama. Now prove it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
No. I'd rather see you prove that they are not. You made the original claim that they are better than Obama. Now prove it.
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Obviously my opinion is just that, an opinion. Your response implies that since it's an opinion it's somehow not worthy of expressing, so the challenge is on you to come up with an objective, non opinionated analysis supporting your claim.
 
Neally said:
Obviously my opinion is just that, an opinion. Your response implies that since it's an opinion it's somehow not worthy of expressing, so the challenge is on you to come up with an objective, non opinionated analysis supporting your claim.
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So my opinion needs evidence, but yours does not. Sorry, but I won't let you shift the burden of your claims onto me. Nice try, but the GOP candidates are nutty, that is my opinion.
 
thaiboxerken said:
So my opinion needs evidence, but yours does not. Sorry, but I won't let you shift the burden of your claims onto me. Nice try, but the GOP candidates are nutty, that is my opinion.
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Really, this subject would be more appropriate in it's own thread, and there likely are threads about it right now. Obviously if someone has views in line with say, Huckabee, they are going to want him elected instead of Obama. Thus it's an opinion question with many more related quantifiable questions.
 
I'm sorry, but are we actually to believe that Fox News.........is a victim?????



:p
 
thaiboxerken said:
So my opinion needs evidence, but yours does not. Sorry, but I won't let you shift the burden of your claims onto me. Nice try, but the GOP candidates are nutty, that is my opinion.
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To be honest, you were the one making a positive claim. It's my opinion that it would be far, far easier to prove someone crazy than to prove them sane, no?
 
Media Matters is much more sophisticated then Fox News, but I would not take either of theirs word for anything.
 
dudalb said:
Media Matters is much more sophisticated then Fox News, but I would not take either of theirs word for anything.
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They do a good job of documenting their case so whether you accept their word is pretty much irrelevant.
 
So, if I'm reading this correctly, we have a right wing propaganda organ bitching about a liberal propaganda organ attacking another right wing propaganda organ?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
So, if I'm reading this correctly, we have a right wing propaganda organ bitching about a liberal propaganda organ attacking another right wing propaganda organ?
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I think that if nothing else, this sentence sums up America pretty well.
 
JudeBrando said:
Wait for what? You doubt this minor foreshadowing of the consistent Leftist behavior of silencing and eliminating dissent whenever they can actually do so?[/QUOTRE]

Do learn the difference between "dissent" and "telling outright lies."

Do you have any doubt that Leftists hate the Right?
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You say that like it was a bad thing.

To Lefties, not being always and only against the Right, Republicans and Conservatives is to be GOP. The rest of the media, that is against the Right, is not Left to you Lefties.
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Of course not. They are reality-based. That just seems leftist to those about to drop off the right end of the spectrum into another wavelength from this time/space continuum.

What dissenters from liberal positions are respectable?
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Shep Smith.
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Grizzly Adams said:
Your opinion notwithstanding, the stated shift in MM's mission puts it outside the bounds of a 501(c)(3) organization.
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Shift in their position? What on Earth do you think their previous 'position' was? They address lies in the news. Fox is the biggest lie producer in TV broadcasting.

The real law being broken here is the Repug Party promotions on Fox disguised as news are not reported as campaign spending.
 
TsarBomba said:
Per the IRS, a 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization is "may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates."

The argument that their putative war against Fox news would threaten their tax exempt status would be the assertion by MM that Fox News is affiliated with the GOP and that their attack on Fox News is thus their attempt to attack a political party, which (it would then be argued) is the functional equivalent of participating in campaign activity against GOP candidates. If there is actually an official political race going on (ie declared candidates, etc) then I think that the argument is a good one and MM would be risking it's tax exempt status.
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And Fox would have to report their political contributions in the way of free airtime for Repug campaigning. It could get sticky. :)
 
johnny karate said:
Apparently, when Fox News expresses an opinion it's "free speech". But when anyone else expresses an opinion about Fox News, it's "silencing the opposition".

Welcome to the hypocritical world of delusional paranoia.
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thaiboxerken said:
But that's what Fox and the rest of the conservative media wants to portray as Media Matter's mission. Criticism = censorship, apparently.
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Portray? Who cares about who says portray what? David Brock said.


"The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel...“war on Fox.”... at Fox and its parent company, News Corp.... assembling opposition research files not only on Fox’s top executives but on a series of midlevel officials.... campaign to press advertisers to avoid Glenn Beck’s show... to file lawsuits for defamation, invasion of privacy or other causes... “focus on [News Corp. CEO Rupert] Murdoch and trying to disrupt his commercial interests —..."
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But they don't want them silenced and eliminated? They're all about free speech and the honest exchange of ideas, right?
 
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JudeBrando said:
But they don't want them silenced and eliminated? They're all about free speech and the honest exchange of ideas, right?
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Faux News routinely identified folks who were against the Iraq War, as traitors.

folks who had concerns and criticisms of the Patriot Act, they too were traitors...according to Faux News.
 
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