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McCain is done

Rika said:
I did. Since all employess in each case have been fired, it's not really indicative of something. Secondly, there are reasons that aren't conspiracy oriented re: turning potentially bad records.

It's not compelling.
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Wade Rathke has been fired?

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A failure ratio of 2000:1 is not compelling?

Look at the evidence, and see where it goes…
 
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Er. So you've already predecided guilt..


adn you've gone "look, there are many incidents, but at most 3 a year out of thousands."

I could, of course, figure out if it's just under a noise rate, but I'm sorry, I have more important things to do at work (like work) than.. figure out statistics like that.
 
Rika said:
Er. So you've already predecided guilt..


adn you've gone "look, there are many incidents, but at most 3 a year out of thousands."

I could, of course, figure out if it's just under a noise rate, but I'm sorry, I have more important things to do at work (like work) than.. figure out statistics like that.
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Er, no, I look at the evidence. ;)
"
Ain't no business
Like my business
And I'm so glad I got my own.
"

You go work for somebody else, if that's your business.

The ratio of nearly 2,000:1 is very compelling, and not easy to ignore, except with a whole lot of woo!
 
Except this.

ACORN does it evveerywhere. The fact you can find one or two bad apples isn't at all surprising

(As for work, I work at a gas station, and I have customers would would look very askance at me if I was tearing my headout trying to find any information on what is considered a good alpha level for this. Sigh.)(
 
Rika said:
Uh..
Oh right, wasn't clear.

ACORN does voter registration drives everywhere. This means there are litteraly thousands of drives going on at any time. Right? 2/1000 is a tiny rate, under most if any alphas a statistican would recommend.
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The facts are the other way around.

Out of 2,000 voter registrations facilitated by ACORN in the year 2004, only 180 or so were legitimate.

This is well documented ( I may have biffed the precise numbers, yet the comparative ratio is approximate and true )
 
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... arrggg.

Here's link 1: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/12/you-can-trust-your-vote-counts-nevada-election-off/ <- geez, note the part where ACORN's going 'uh.. right.. what?'

Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards — 85 of them duplicates.

"They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000."

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate.
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You know, for some reason, I just don't think there's enough evidence. Can't imagine why.

> http://washingtonindependent.com/10754/gop-goes-nuts-on-acorn-and-fox-eats-it-up <or that?

Color me rather unimpressed until I see an investigation that actually has results.

RE FIRST LINK:

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22367&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12346&cHash=bfe5d5d350

^ This makes it a tossup. I'd like to see evidence of the subpeonas though..
 
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So how does the "Acorn link" damages Obama's campaign in any way
that could influence the outcome of the election?

It doesn't. But it's a nice side topic for the "decided republican voters",
I assume.
 
"Duplicate" registrations? Hmmm...

I can't see how that facilitates fraud.

If I am registered twice I can still vote only once. It just means that the same people were canvassed twice and some of them filled out the form twice - perhaps not recalling that they had already done it or thinking that they didn't want to disappoint the nice fellow at the door.

But I understand that you Repubs are desperate; Everybody on the planet except y'all have understood that you are without a doubt going to lose and that its only a matter now of by how much. In fact the Democratic Party is now shifting all of its resources to the downticket races, especially the Senatorial races that are somewhat close. the right now have about a 15% chance of having a filibuster-proof 60 vote majority come January, and they plan on improving those odds.
 
BenBurch said:
"Duplicate" registrations? Hmmm...

I can't see how that facilitates fraud.

If I am registered twice I can still vote only once...
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IFF your ballot is on paper.

Else, there are many opportunities for fraud.

And no, it is not only the Republicans who are concerned about this.
 
leonAzul said:
IFF your ballot is on paper.

Else, there are many opportunities for fraud.

And no, it is not only the Republicans who are concerned about this.
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No, as I know intimately the election process here and we use machines there is STILL no opportunity for fraud; We have a book that is printed by the County that has all names in order and for which duplicates are filtered before printing. The election judges then mark your entry when you vote so that you cannot vote a second time. The machine has nothing to do with this part of the process.
 
BenBurch said:
The machine has nothing to do with this part of the process.
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It does if the machines don't even provide a certificate of what you
voted for. Therefore the machines are a pretty uncertain part of the
process. Unless you're a naive "Believer".
 
Oliver said:
It does if the machines don't even provide a certificate of what you
voted for. Therefore the machines are a pretty uncertain part of the
process. Unless you're a naive "Believer".
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Nonono... You misunderstand. The validity of the voting process is not the issue here; The issue is how often you get to stand in front of the machine to let it mis-record your vote!
 
Rika said:
... arrggg.

Here's link 1: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/12/you-can-trust-your-vote-counts-nevada-election-off/ <- geez, note the part where ACORN's going 'uh.. right.. what?'



You know, for some reason, I just don't think there's enough evidence. Can't imagine why.

> http://washingtonindependent.com/10754/gop-goes-nuts-on-acorn-and-fox-eats-it-up <or that?

Color me rather unimpressed until I see an investigation that actually has results.

RE FIRST LINK:

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22367&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12346&cHash=bfe5d5d350

^ This makes it a tossup. I'd like to see evidence of the subpeonas though..
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Stop sniffing the benzene, and wake up. The "subpeonas" [sic] are readily available, if you care to do due diligence. If you can't be a:rule10ed to do the research, then that is your funeral.

There is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, promptly and thoroughly.

Your vote counts. Choose wisely ;)
 
BenBurch said:
Nonono... You misunderstand. The validity of the voting process is not the issue here; The issue is how often you get to stand in front of the machine to let it mis-record your vote!
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Oh, okay - I understand. I was talking about undemocratic machines in
general, my apologies.
 
BenBurch said:
No, as I know intimately the election process here and we use machines there is STILL no opportunity for fraud
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Arrant goat blather. Any chip has the opportunity for a rootkit. If it so happens that the county in which you reside is cognizant of that fact and takes prophylactic measures, then good on you. Else, be aware.
 
Concerning the topic: If McCain is running his presidency the same
way he's running his campaign, he will be the new "worst president
ever". Am I wrong?
 
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