Matt Crowley shoots down Bigfoot dermal ridges?

Wallace didn't bring in any evidence at all, that I know of.
Au Contraire !

You keep ignoring the fact that there are two kinds of evidence.. The kind that supports your position and the kind that doesn't..

You consistantly ignore the latter..


What is the explanation for the ridges in the heel of the Bluff Creek track ?

What makes Chilcutt qualified to come to the conclusion that a set of tracks are from the same species of animal?


Here is a track examined by Chillcut and proclaimed to bear the dermal ridges characteristic of Bigfoot..

from:http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/freemantracks.htm

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Where is the mid tarsal break ?

Apparently Dr. Meldrum is impressed by the Wallace evidence..

From: http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/crypto.html

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Where is the mid tarsal break ? The long toes ?

We do have the double ball though ? Where is it documented that the double ball is a distinguishing characteristic of Bigfoot feet ?
 
LTC8K6 said:
I asked you to pass the bong, Lu.

I didn't say I was going to take a hit off of it. :D

I don't own a bong, and I resent the implication.
As for Freeman....

Fruit of the poisoned tree, I say.

No one should accept anything that has any connection to Marx or Freeman or anyone else who is tainted.

This is a perfectly reasonable position to take. It's the position most people would take.

And it doesn't matter. There are 240 pages in Murphy's book and only one deals with Freeman and Marx.

Do you even know exactly what they did do?
 
Diogenes said:
If you look at what is now the later posts in that thread, there is discussion of legal action against Moneymaker..

Old news. I already noted that. The latest isn't on that board.
 
RayG said:
You ain't the only one.

RayG

I don't see what the problem is. What doesn't match? In another set of casts the right foot is even more flexed. Wouldn't one expect variations in tracks left by a flexible living foot?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Meldrum should apologize to the public, and to ISU, for this travesty of a web page.

http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html

Since you have no arguments and obviously can't do any better, I guess you have no recourse but to resort to insults. I'm sorry for you.

I thought you said you were done? Isn't it about time you kept your word?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Sorry, Lu. Try as I might, I can't make the print match the cast. I can't believe anyone would even try to match them.

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I don't see why you can't. Are you confusing right with left or something? Measure the distance from the upper bunionette to the end of the plantar pad. Even with the scale a bit off, it's about the same. The melt may be making the bunionette print look like a toe print, but it's not.

Speaking of snow, how do you account for the lack of spatter fake feet would leave? What about Powder Mountain? You'r not dodging the hard questions, are you?
 
I have already made several arguments contrary to Meldrum, so why do you say I have no answers?

Oh! I get it. You didn't like my answers, therefore they don't exist.

I have already answered you regarding powder mountain. Try to catch up before you claim someone didn't respond.

I answered you regarding Elk Wallow as well.

Why in the world would a fake foot make "spatter" any more than the flat bottm of a shoe would?

I see no reason that a Ray Wallace type fake big foot would make any spatter anywhere. It would not make any spatter if I were using it. Not in mud, dirt, or snow.

I could of course get splatter if I wanted it, even with my bare feet. If I run through mud or snow or loose dirt in my bare feet the material splatters everywhere. I guess my own feet are fake?

Did some bigfoot believer stomp around with some fake feet, make a lot of splatter, and then claim you'd always get splatter?
 
LTC8K6 said:
I have already made several arguments contrary to Meldrum, so why do you say I have no answers?

Oh! I get it. You didn't like my answers, therefore they don't exist.
I said arguments, not answers. You do have answers, and all seem to be wrong. I don't know how you do it. Meldrum has studied over 100 casts and is an expert in primate locomotion. You are what, exactly, and how many casts have you examined?
I have already answered you regarding powder mountain. Try to catch up before you claim someone didn't respond.
I guess I didn't catch up, although there was practically no posting over the holiday. Someone claimed a hoaxer would have less chance of being discovered in a remote area, but I thought that statement was too lame even for you. Are you referring to some other post? Do point me to your erudite explanation of how the Powder Mountain tracks were faked. Are you blaming that on Wallace too? Did he fly to B.C.? Take the little lady?
I answered you regarding Elk Wallow as well.
By saying the dermal ridges are the same as human therefore they are? That's simply not true.
Why in the world would a fake foot make "spatter" any more than the flat bottm of a shoe would?

I see no reason that a Ray Wallace type fake big foot would make any spatter anywhere. It would not make any spatter if I were using it. Not in mud, dirt, or snow.

I could of course get splatter if I wanted it, even with my bare feet. If I run through mud or snow or loose dirt in my bare feet the material splatters everywhere. I guess my own feet are fake?

Did some bigfoot believer stomp around with some fake feet, make a lot of splatter, and then claim you'd always get splatter?

Several researchers have experimented with fake feet in snow and elsewhere as has already been noted (Scott Herriot's results are on the BFF Blue Creek Mountain/Onion Mountain thread that no one seems to have read) to see what kind of tracks they would leave. Obviously you haven't.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Contamination by human fingerprints?

You don't say!!!! :p

Freeman's fingerprints and Matt's casting effects.

What makes you think that article supports your position? Meldrum was correcting a reporter's error. The human fingerprints could have been Hardin's or one of the other rangers on the scene. I don't know that they were traced to anyone. Chilcutt set that cast aside because it was contaminated, not faked. It was the first one he examined.

Do you really think casting artifacts could possibly be the same in casts taken hundreds of miles and decades apart? Chilcutt has already stated the casting artifact ridges were flat. Dermal ridges are rounded.
 
The photograph that accompanies the text on the webpage entitled "The Paul Freeman Footprints" at http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/freemantracks.htm is not one of Paul Freeman's, it is the Onion Mountain cast. I have written an e-mail to Bobbie Short so that she is made aware of this.

Before we get the notion that "dermal ridges are round while casting artifacts are flat" carved into Internet stone, let's be clear here. Indeed, the test coupons I sent to Jimmy Chilcutt last February had small, flat ridges. Later, when I figured out how casting artifact ridges could get big, I discovered something else interesting; small ridges, flat ridges, large ridges round ridges. Casting artifact ridges CAN be round, and I have the test casts to prove it.

I would suggest caution to anyone who claims that Freeman's Elk Wallow cast contains casting artifacts. How do you know this? I certainly don't know this. I have not seen the cast. I have no idea of what soil conditions it was made under. Having learned the hard way, I would not guess about these things from photographs alone. I don't deny it is a valid question, given that we now know more about what casting artifacts can look like, but I don't believe we know the answer yet. I suspect we will all know more after the upcoming Jefferson Sasquatch conference.
 
Someone claimed a hoaxer would have less chance of being discovered in a remote area, but I thought that statement was too lame even for you.
So, it's lame to say a hoaxer would not be discovered in a remote area, but perfectly acceptable that a Bigfoot has not been discovered at all?
 
tube said:
Of course. But let me be clear about the order of my logic; I believe most casts are bogus and therefore do not exhibit dermal ridges, not that since they do not exhibit dermal ridges I conclude they are bogus. I believe most casts are bogus for entirely different reasons.

There is a major, glaring, problem in the world of Sasquatchery; so glaring and foolish that it almost makes me want to walk away from the whole enterprise; and this is the blind acceptance of the morpological dissimilarity of all these feet! I have personally examined a number of casts; "Wrinkle Foot" Onion Mountain, Dennis Heryford's cast, "Cripple Foot" Jerry Crew's cast, Patterson film site cast, John Bindernagle' cast, and various others. THEY ARE ALL PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT IN SHAPE!
Actually, Meldrum was able to identify ones from the same individual.

I can only go by photos, but I see profound similarties between The Bluff Creek 17.5" Crew track and a 15" Blue Creek Mountain cast. A right Hyampom is almost a match for a left Bossburg. Strathcona looks like Shawnee State Park. I've seen a photo of Heryford holding his cast before it was cleaned up and it looked an awful lot like Sherriff Closner's cast.

I'll bet my feet are different than yours.

Krantz thought the four-toed tracks could just be from the fifth toe not printing. I'm not familiar with any three-toed tracks other than the alligator tracks.

I think variation in substrate (which would influence the spread of toe pads and plantar pads), age of tracks and age of individual could be factors. Also gender; females seem to have narrower feet than males. Also movement of the foot; a side-to side movement could make part of the track appear wider than the foot that made it. Variations occur in a single trackway. Wouldn't fakes be nearly identical?

My own feet, before they acquired their rather attractive bunions (Ballanchine thought bunions give a nice line to the foot and wanted his Ballarinas to have them), gained a size in length and width just from being used a lot. Their tracks wouldn't have matched my younger feet. Krantz noted an arch on juvenile tracks and wondered if the loss of the arch was due to weight or was genetically determined.
There is a reason we can track animals; there is enough morphological similarity between individuals within a species that we can identify the species by the track. I'm currently reading Wilderness Tracks by Barbara Butler. I had no idea that a Grizzly bear track could be differentiated from a black bear track, but that is the case. Same genus, different species. The blunt reality is that purported Sasquatch tracks differ among themselves as much as a raccoon tracks differs from dog tracks! At this point various apologies are made by Bigfooters like "we must have multiple species" or "we must be seeing inbreeding". To me, the obvious, parsimonious explanation is that we are seeing human (hoaxer) creativity in action!

Or we may be seeing normal variation in a living species. I don't have a problem with possible subspecies. Most other animals seem to have them.
Bigfoot casts are kind of like the religions of the world; logically they can't all be true therefore most, it not all, must be false.

LAL, you seem much more inclined to accept that the Blue Creek Mountain tracks of 1967 were made by a Sasquatch than I am. If the tracks were indeed made by a Sasquatch, and not Ray Wallace, then surely Sasquatch has a "double ball" foot. Why don't other tracks which I assume you accept as real like the Patterson film site or "Cripple Foot' have a double ball?

More like three Sasquatches.
Meldrum explains the "double ball" and differed from Krantz on that. Still trying to find that; it's in Murphy somewhere.

I believe Green on Blue Creek Mountain. He was there; I wasn't.

How would a rigid wooden foot bend up?

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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=9553&st=40

Doesn't it make more sense that Wallace, or Mullens, if he carved the feet as he claimed, used a Titmus cast for a model? Even the double ball doesn't match up, BTW.
 

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