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Marines Urinating on Dead Guys?

Redtail said:
Read what you wrote.
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You read what I wrote.
I said "For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest." Is that what you are getting at? It does not mean "I think you all have always been civilians" nor does it imply that.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I don't understand you. What is the connection between Shogun and people being civilians?

I said "For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest." Is that what you are getting at? It does not mean "I think you all have always been civilians" nor does it imply that.
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There we go! Now then, what were you implying by that line?
 
Bill Thompson said:
we all live in a civlian world if we are not at war. How you interpeted that to mean you were never in the military is beyond comprehension and beyond reason.
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So a military base is a civilian world? How so?

Eta:& why are you not backing up your assertion that peeing on fallen enemies is natural human behavior? Oh, & how is pointing out the fact that the Marines are going to investigate this & punish those responsible an appeal to authority?

One would think you are focusing on a subjective topic to avoid questions that are uncomfortable to you.
 
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Now men, remember you can blow these guys heads off but don't ever pee on them.

Gimme a break.

You ask these guys to go in there at the risk of being killed and kill the enemy and then complain that they peed on some dead bodies of their enemies?
 
sarge said:
Bull. There is nothing special about military service in general or combat in particular that would confer a special understanding of this situation. I believe that what they did was wrong and might lead to the death of US servicemembers. Care to have either a general military or actual combat (Iraq or Astan) experience measuring contest with me?

And BTW, you picked a bad example from Shogun. A much better analogy could have been drawn from the part where a samurai pissed on Blackthorn's back. He did so because the act was nearly the ultimate insult - and the consensus was that it could never be forgiven and that satisfaction required a death.
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Ok, let's go with a civilian example. Let's say some murderers came into your home, and you killed them. You then decided to pee on them as a statement or who knows for what reason.

Do we "throw the book" at you? What should your penalty be? After all, you may be making more criminals mad and they could go on a killing spree as a protest against people peeing on them after shooting them.

But somehow these Marines deserve punishment???
 
Well the difference is The Marines have a code of conduct that they are supposed to conduct themselves by. If you watch the video they're not pissing on their fallen enemies as an act of rage or dominance like you would with a home invader but as a joke. Also, still don't think there's any real peeing going on.
 
TheSarge said:
As he is speaking specifically about his family, I can't say that he is misleading. In fact, servicemembers are better educated than the average American - especially true among minorities.
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TheAnachronism said:
Women studying engineering at a post-secondary institution? Asian-American males living in Flordia? Philologists between the ages of 45 and 70? "Coloreds"?

:p

Sorry to be a douche, but I dislike when people use the terms "minorty" or "minorities" in a context in which it is so vague as to be essentially meaningless. As to your final clause in general, do you mean to claim that service members* are better educated than the average "minority"** American, or that "minority" service members are better educated than the average American?

*what exactly does that term encompass?
**see above
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I wish I could have got a response :(

But I guess I haven't read Shogun, so...
 
Bill Thompson said:
why? WHy is it disgraceful?
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If you have to ask this, I would have your moral compass checked. Pronto.

Bill Thompson said:
How does it put anyone in danger?
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Really? Please tell me you're joking.

Bill Thompson said:
You DON'T think they do worse to our dead or dying soldiers?
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No, we usually get them back. The others, I am sure they do. Does it make it right? No, of course not.

Ever see the movie " Blackhawk Down"? I have. I want to fight someone after seeing what they did to our soldiers' bodies.

Sorry Bill, I find your post disgusting and, quite frankly, disturbing. I'm actually embarrassed that you're also an American.
 
Information Analyst said:
So while British soldiers are discarding centuries of tradition to let their beards grow, so as to gain respect and therefore trust from Afghans, some of our "allies" not only think pissing on the enemy dead is OK, but videoing it for posterity is, as well. :jaw-dropp
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IA: Just FYI, our (USA military) guys do the same thing.
 
randman said:
Ok, let's go with a civilian example. Let's say some murderers came into your home, and you killed them. You then decided to pee on them as a statement or who knows for what reason.

Do we "throw the book" at you? What should your penalty be? After all, you may be making more criminals mad and they could go on a killing spree as a protest against people peeing on them after shooting them.

But somehow these Marines deserve punishment???
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Brilliant defense! Will you be sending this to the USMC if & when they catch these guys & court martial them?
 
sarge said:
Differing experiences, I suppose. Most everyone I know has a connection to the US Military. As a conservative estimate, I'd guess that I interact with a couple thousand current and former service members every month. They are, on average, smarter, better educated, and better behaved than their non-service peers*.

The US Military is a large organization, and while it attracts a broad cross-section of America, it also appeals to a few unsavory segments. Gangbangers come for the training. CallofDutyWarriors come because they confuse real life with video games. The military gets a fair share of maladjusted individuals that will, contrary to considerable training, conduct themselves inappropriately when given the chance.

This activity (it is real) is embarrasing. It is inexcusable. I hope the guilty parties are punished appropriately. That it occured is not an indictment of service in general, or of the hundreds of thousands of servicemembers that don't do such things.






* low standard, I admit. In most cases, a young Soldiers "peer" is a frat boy college kid away from home for the first time, or an 18 year old townie working for a subsistance wage and out on the town the one night a month he can afford it.
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Oh, please. The soldier/sailor/marine is as well educated as people of the same age who are enrolled in college? And as for well behaved, you may have never been to one of the nudie bars that surround military bases wherever they are allowed.
 
What a shame, that's time wasted that could have been spent making more dead Taliban.
 
Depressing to realize in three minutes, four idiots with full bladders have set US relations with the locals back five years. :o
 
randman said:
Ok, let's go with a civilian example. Let's say some murderers came into your home, and you killed them. You then decided to pee on them as a statement or who knows for what reason.

Do we "throw the book" at you? What should your penalty be?
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You get charged with second degree murder, the prosecutor arguing that your actions proved not simple self defence, but intent to be a vigilante and wanting to waste somebody.

If your lawyer has any sense, he gets you to plead guilty to manslaughter.
 
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