MaGZ: There were no missiles, here is proof.

[gumboot]

The scramble order for Otis was received at 0846. That is when the stoplight at the Alertbarn turned from red to green. At this point the pilots have to start the engines of their fighters, taxi out to the runway, take off, clear civilian airspace to military airspace over the ocean and climb to altitude.

They then flew at between 900 - 1200 MPH (depending on whose account you accept) down the coast, over the Atlantic, to New York. At 0907 the FAA denied them entry into New York airspace and directed them to enter a holding pattern over Long Island.

-Gumboot

ETA.

I've estimated their "over-water" route to be about 350mi, so based on the range of speeds, that means it would take between 23 and 17 minutes. Taking the fastest speed, that means the pilots were on route 4 minutes after receiving the scramble. Not bad considering they were on 15min response time.

 

[Z]

Stop whining, you have no real explanation how the black crater formed.

If you have nothing to contribute: shut up.

Geez, you sound just like Christophera and his 'total pulverization' thing.

Clue: there is no black crater. No black crater = no explanation necessary.

If there WERE a crater, we could look for explanations; but that's not a crater, amigo.

 

[Mr.D]

The only explanation for the black crater is a missile explosion.

Oh, for the love of ...

MaGZ, are you ever going to accept that there is a difference between "the only explanation is" and "in my opinion, the best explanation is."

(That your opinion is tenuous and speculative at the very best is another story)

 

[Z]

At 0907 the FAA denied them entry into New York airspace and directed them to enter a holding pattern over Long Island.

-Gumboot

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that single piece of information preclude the fighters from having anything to do with the towers' demises?

 

[MaGZ]

Oh, for the love of ...

MaGZ, are you ever going to accept that there is a difference between "the only explanation is" and "in my opinion, the best explanation is."

(That your opinion is tenuous and speculative at the very best is another story)

If there is another explanation let's hear it.

 

[gumboot]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that single piece of information preclude the fighters from having anything to do with the towers' demises?

Yes.

-Gumboot

 

[MaGZ]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that single piece of information preclude the fighters from having anything to do with the towers' demises?

You idiot, it was never suggested by me the fighters tried to bring down the Twin Towers.

 

[gumboot]

You idiot, it was never suggested by me the fighters tried to bring down the Twin Towers.

Do you acknowledge that the evidence gathered from the FAA and NORAD, including audio tapes and radar information, refutes your claim that F-15s from Otis ANGB were in a position to fire missiles at UA175?

-Gumboot

 

[Z]

You idiot, it was never suggested by me the fighters tried to bring down the Twin Towers.

Insult noted, and neither did I suggest this. I suggested that the timing precludes the fighters as having anything to do with the towers' demises. INCLUDING missing their target and hitting a building instead.

Reading isn't one of your stronger points, is it?

 

[gumboot]

MAGZ, I'm getting tired of your repeated insults. Please remember your membership agreement.

-Gumboot

 

[Andúril]

Again, another excellent photo showing the fire on the 14th floor.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc38.JPG

Yeah, and here's another that clearly shows flames glowing from the same windows... several weeks before 9/11!

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc6.JPG

And how would your alleged missile manage to dodge around every other skyscraper around the WTC 7?

 

[Thunder]

MagZ- I just wanted to thank you for your constant entertainment. You really give me a good laugh. I think you should become the leader of the truth movemant...I really do. Thanks again and...keep the laughs coming.

 

[Lucas]

If there is another explanation let's hear it.

I guess flaming debris falling from the towers after the explosion of thousands of gallons of fuel in an office environment not enough for you? Oh, wait, you didn't see that explanation, because you don't believe it - so it doesn't exist.

You are pathetic, MaGZ. Every single second you latch on to your stupid theory, you are further from being able to have any sort of pity from us when you fall down from your cloud and form your own crater on the ground (SPLAT). Even the CTists reject your theory, so you have no one. You are alone in your silly little world where missiles strike buildings unnoticed and unheard, and where a missile strike takes 7 FREAKIN HOURS to actually do any damage. Bravo, you have joined the ranks of the negative IQ percentage of citizens on this planet.

Whatever drug you're taking to make you hallucinate like that... I don't want it.

 

[a_unique_person]

I don’t think my ideas have been disproved in this forum. I have provided plenty of evidence for the missile theory.

I have given you a time line which shows fighters could have arrived at 9:03 over NYC . I have given you eyewitnesses who experienced the blast in WTC 7. I gave you the name of an air traffic controller which said fighters arrived just moments after the second plane hit WTC 2 which contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report.

I have provided you photographic evidence of the second missile strike in the open parking area.

I have made my case any my argument still stands.

Supportive links to The Missiles at Ground Zero

Response from Otis Air National Guard Base:

"Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base," cooperativeresearch.org
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....onal_guard_base
"Otis Fighters Scramble to New York; Conflicting Accounts of Urgency and Destination," cooperativeresearch.org
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...a852otistakeoff

Newark NJ air traffic controller, Bob Varcapade, said the fighters were over New York City moments after the second plane crashed in to WTC 2.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

Film of missile taken by Gedeon Naudet at the corner of Broadway and Vesey Street.
http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews...a/3/flash91.htm

Reporter tells CNN some saw a missile.

QUOTE UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jim, I don't know whether we've confirmed that this was an aircraft, or to be more specific, some people said they thought they saw a missile. I don't know how people could differentiate, but we might keep open the possibility that this was a missile attack on these buildings.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

Mysterious explosion and white cloud at 9:04 am:
http://911studies.com/911photostudies119.htm

Unexplained 9/11 Explosion at WTC Complex," by Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press, July 10, 2004.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm

Eyewitnesses to WTC 7 missile hit.

QUOTE After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.

http://www.record-eagle.com/2001/sep/11scene.htm

And there's been plenty of responses about why you are wrong, read them and think a bit. I was watching TV live when the second plane hit. You could see it fly in, and the explosion that followed. That was no missile, it was a hijacked, stock standard, civilian passenger aircraft. It's a pretty open and shut case.

 

[Lucas]

Seriously, MaGZ, I give up trying to make you see the truth. You're just a stubborn fool, and there's nothing any of us can do to convince you that you are just wrong.

Everyone, starting now (even you, Gravy) just ignore MaGZ whenever he pulls out one of his famous missiles posts - and if anyone believes it or starts debating it, just send them here.

MaGZ, you will eternally stay stuck in your little world where missiles do no visible damage but start random fires, where a missile hit will cause no pressure wave, and where fighter pilots go supersonic without breaking any windows, before firing missiles that no one sees, hear, and no one believes in.

If you think that people will eternally pay attention to you just because you won't change your mind, you're wrong. People get bored of constantly debunking you, over and over again, until you are holding on to an empty theory, a hollowed shell that you triumphantly hold high thinking it's the greatest treasure, while everyone is laughing at you for your naivety.

You're not stronger than us MaGZ, if you were, you would admit that you are wrong, and you would move on. Right now, you're just juvenile, stubborn, weak and pathetic. No one here cares about you, and unless you come up with a different theory... We'll ignore you with all our might.

 

[beachnut]

I have never suggested the fighters just happened to be flying over NYC. They were sent there from Otis Air National Guard Base and flew at supersonic speed to get there.
As far a heat seeking missiles go–I don’t know–perhaps they were another type of missile.
I think this article is well researched.

The Missiles at Ground Zero
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=10058

Pulling out the old neoNAZI stuff? You are citing a neoNAZI site which makes up lies. Are you sure you are this challenged on research?

You forgot the lack of sonic booms for the planes, and the missiles. The sonic boom of the missile would have been so big and unique. I have heard sonic booms from SCUDS and they were not even close. No one reported the sounds of what you said happen on 9/11. You have no proof and only prove how dumb you are at research to persist with such shoddy work.

 

[beachnut]

So in your opinion could the fighters arrived there going supersonic?

WHICH PART OF SONIC BOOM DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. SONIC BOOMS BREAK WINDOWS WHEN THEY FLY LOW. WHY ARE YOU SO DUMB?

 

[a_unique_person]

MaGZ. Heres a hint. Don't expect Neo-Nazi sites to have anything worthwhile on them. Anyone who admires Hitler has to have a screw loose for a start. He was the guy who, rather than surrender, was quite happy to send children off to die in a lost war. When it was all over, he just killed himself, he didn't fight it out. He blamed the Germans for losing the war for being weak, and that they deserved to lose.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

That much is true...

I can't answer all those questions.

Yeah, you're not doing much of a job of answering mine about your views on Jews, which is a lot more important than your theories and speculation about 9/11.

On 9/11, pal, you're hopeless...you're trying to graft the anti-Semitism of others (neo-Nazis and so on) to your own anti-Semitism, and in turn graft that onto 9/11.

Well, at least you're getting about as much attention now as you probably got from your schoolmates back in junior high. Did they stuff you in garbage cans or just throw your books down the stairs, all in front of the girls, so they would laugh?

 

[Darat]

Leave off the personal insults - remember attack the argument not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat