'Lost Civilisations'

[dafydd]

Define "lost technology"...

Because the way 'I' understand the term it means something "unknown".

Which is to say, "I DON'T HOW IT WAS MADE."

So? I have no idea how they make Scotch Eggs.

 

[King of the Americas]

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IOW, people see unexplainable and unidentified stuff in the sky, and elsewhere, all the time, all over the world. What has convinced you that the unidentifiable, unexplainable thing that you saw was an advanced race of super-humans?

I think it is 'more likely' that the Earth is capable of generating more than ONE sentient being, in the billions of years it has been here, RATHER than inter-stellar aliens choosing Earth to visit repeatedly.

What I saw was intelligently driven. Their actions weren't random, as they interacted with each other.

It is a more simple explanation, I think, to accept that 'we' aren't as special as we'd like to believe, rather than require that they expended untold amounts of fuel to buzz a few nature walkers.

As soon as cave men could paint on cave walls, we see images of 'sky gods'/heavenly agents/UFO's. They have been here, for as long as men could record that fact.

This line of reasoning is the genesis behind my "I don't believe in aliens", statement.

I see no reason to demand they came 'from' anywhere... The Earth is clearly capable of producing sentient beings. SURELY this is not a new thing.

 

[dafydd]

I think it is 'more likely' that the Earth is capable of generating more than ONE sentient being, in the billions of years it has been here, RATHER than inter-stellar aliens choosing Earth to visit repeatedly.

What I saw was intelligently driven. Their actions weren't random, as they interacted with each other.

It is a more simple explanation, I think, to accept that 'we' aren't as special as we'd like to believe, rather than require that they expended untold amounts of fuel to buzz a few nature walkers.

As soon as cave men could paint on cave walls, we see images of 'sky gods'/heavenly agents/UFO's. They have been here, for as long as men could record that fact.

This line of reasoning is the genesis behind my "I don't believe in aliens", statement.

I see no reason to demand they came 'from' anywhere... The Earth is clearly capable of producing sentient beings. SURELY this is not a new thing.

I've highlighted the problems.

 

[King of the Americas]

Is this accurate?

---From the 1877 book "Peru: incidents of travel and exploration in the land of the Incas
By Ephraim George Squier", the gate of the sun is described as follows/

The stone itself is a dark and exceedingly hard trachyte. It is faced with a precision that no skill can excel; its lines are perfectly drawn, and its right angles turned with an accuracy that the most careful geometer could not surpass. Barring some injuries and defacements, and some slight damages by weather, I do not believe there exists a better piece of stone - cutting, the material considered, on this or the other continent. The front, especially the part covered by sculpture, Las a fine finish, as near a true polish as trachyte can be made to bear.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/3696060512.jpg

http://books.google.com/books?...epage&q=hard&f=false

*A poster at the Mythbusters forum offered it.

 

[King of the Americas]

I've highlighted the problems.

It looks like your problem is me, and not the assertions I have made.

Your personal attacks are becoming less charming, with each post you make.

I'd like to encourage you to stop.

 

[dafydd]

It looks like your problem is me, and not the assertions I have made.

Your personal attacks are becoming less charming, with each post you make.

I'd like to encourage you to stop.

I'd like to encourage you to present some evidence to support your claims.

 

[King of the Americas]

I'd like to encourage you to present some evidence to support your claims.

Exactly what evidence would one present to support the notion that it is more likely that 'they' spawned from Earth, rather than some distant star?

I was simply relying on Occam's Razor.

The simplest answer is that we aren't as special as we'd like to believe.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.

 

[GeeMack]

Is this accurate?

---From the 1877 book "Peru: incidents of travel and exploration in the land of the Incas
By Ephraim George Squier", the gate of the sun is described as follows/

The stone itself is a dark and exceedingly hard trachyte. It is faced with a precision that no skill can excel; its lines are perfectly drawn, and its right angles turned with an accuracy that the most careful geometer could not surpass. Barring some injuries and defacements, and some slight damages by weather, I do not believe there exists a better piece of stone - cutting, the material considered, on this or the other continent. The front, especially the part covered by sculpture, Las a fine finish, as near a true polish as trachyte can be made to bear.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/3696060512.jpg

http://books.google.com/books?...epage&q=hard&f=false

*A poster at the Mythbusters forum offered it.

It looks like it's from a book written by a journalist, ambassador, and amateur archaeologist over 130 years ago. So it's his opinion. But even at that, he didn't seem stupid enough to believe it required alien technology to create Puma Punku. Archeology, both the objective and the process, has changed a lot in the 130+ intervening years. What once was a lot of treasure hunting, pillaging ancient sites to stock museums, and indulging curiosity seekers has become something a lot closer to a scientific endeavor. And in all that time, with all those hands and cameras and picks and shovels and notebooks trained on the Tiwanaku complex, nobody has found any evidence to suggest the place was made with the help of advanced and/or alien technology.

So big deal. Interesting? Sure. Does it speak to the subject of lost civilizations? Nope. Does it in any way support the whacky claim that aliens were/are zipping around our skies or helping people carve monuments from stone? No firkin way. That's just silly.

 

[GeeMack]

Exactly what evidence would one present to support the notion that it is more likely that 'they' spawned from Earth, rather than some distant star?

Some evidence that supports the claim that they even exist would be a good start. And no, arguments from incredulity and ignorance still are not evidence.

I was simply relying on Occam's Razor.

Occam's razor would have us strip away unnecessary explanations, reduce the complexity. Your claim is the exact opposite of Occam's razor.

The simplest answer is that we aren't as special as we'd like to believe.

Humans have had the skills, tools, and technology to create monuments like those at Tiwanaku for thousands of years. The simplest answer is that regular people applied those skills, used those tools, and invested a lot of time and patience to make the Puma Punku temple.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.

Arguments from incredulity and ignorance are not evidence. Your claim is unfounded.

 

[Wildy]

I was simply relying on Occam's Razor.

Too bad you aren't applying Occam's Razor to your other claims.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.

And yet the left no trace.

 

[gambling_cruiser]

Do you remember how Dumbledore restored a devastated room?
So did the super-human "gods" restore the environment to hide all traces of their existance, then they ascended. Now the just come down to anal probe some hillbillies now and then. The rest of the time they are busy with removing magically all evidence of their existence.
Super-secret buggers, aren't they?

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

So? I have no idea how they make Scotch Eggs.

Aliens make them. No human hands can get the sausage to stick...

(I must be an alien*. I can carve stone, cast bronze, and make scotch eggs.)

* I mean a nonhuman advanced intelligence that lives on planet earth but leaves no trace, or wherever the current definition falls relative to the moving goalposts.

 

[Elizabeth I]

And yet the left no trace.

I imagine that KoTA's "theory" also includes something like an Atlantis catastrophe. All evidence swept away. (He's already hypothesized that worldwide glaciers ground any evidence down to gravel.)

 

[dafydd]

Exactly what evidence would one present to support the notion that it is more likely that 'they' spawned from Earth, rather than some distant star?

I was simply relying on Occam's Razor.

The simplest answer is that we aren't as special as we'd like to believe.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.

Look up the meaning of the word 'evidence' in a dictionary.

 

[dafydd]

Occam's razor would have us strip away unnecessary explanations, reduce the complexity. Your claim is the exact opposite of Occam's razor.




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Is anyone else fed up with woos who have no idea what Occam's Razor is ?

 

[Sean84]

What's all this ******** I hear about Scotts-Eggulation.

I hereby request and require some evidence of eggs being deliciously prepared by way of some drunken sheepplower. A Scottish farmer with an omelet will suffice.

Well?

 

[Marduk]

Exactly what evidence would one present to support the notion that it is more likely that 'they' spawned from Earth, rather than some distant star?

I was simply relying on Occam's Razor.

Its more valid to use the law of evidence though, the law of parsimony is a statistical based rule, its not valid if there is more evidence pointing towards a single conclusion, in this case to attempt Occams is to ignore the absolute wealth of evidence to the contrary and you know as well as the rest of us that your personal beliefs are entirely unevidenced.

The simplest answer is that we aren't as special as we'd like to believe.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.

so 1 + 1 is simpler than just 1, you must be some kind of math genius because clever as I am, I don't see it

 

[King of the Americas]

Its more valid to use the law of evidence though, the law of parsimony is a statistical based rule, its not valid if there is more evidence pointing towards a single conclusion, in this case to attempt Occams is to ignore the absolute wealth of evidence to the contrary and you know as well as the rest of us that your personal beliefs are entirely unevidenced.


so 1 + 1 is simpler than just 1, you must be some kind of math genius because clever as I am, I don't see it

I am afraid I don't fully understand your point...

 

[dafydd]

I am afraid I don't fully understand your point...

Think of Occam's Razor.

 

[TX50]

Aliens make them. No human hands can get the sausage to stick...

(I must be an alien*. I can carve stone, cast bronze, and make scotch eggs.)

Yes, but can you make a boiled egg that goes right through a pork pie? Now that is a mystery (not like some silly groove in a stone - obviously done with a blunt slabbing saw and a pinch of sand).