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'Lost Civilisations'

Please provide evidence that what you (claim you) saw, and what you imagine them to be, are one and the same.

There is NO SUCH THING, as evidence of an anecdotal account. They didn't give me a 'we were here t-shirt' to show you guys. A video or picture would be taken as a forgery.

The only thing I have is my sighting.

My friend and I didn't 'imagine' anything. We witnessed something we have no explanation for...
 
There is NO SUCH THING, as evidence of an anecdotal account.
What an extraordinary admission. You should PM this to Rramjet.

You still need to work on your reading comprehension though.

"...what you imagine them to be" "You 'imagined' seeing something."

Do you understand this subtle distinction?
 
There is NO SUCH THING, as evidence of an anecdotal account. They didn't give me a 'we were here t-shirt' to show you guys. A video or picture would be taken as a forgery.

The only thing I have is my sighting.

My friend and I didn't 'imagine' anything. We witnessed something we have no explanation for...


And until you produce toxicology reports and mental health workups, from immediately after the alleged sighting, showing that you and your pal weren't victims of some sort of physiologically or psychologically induced hallucinations, the "sighting" can be dismissed as the result of any number of commonly known, often occurring, reality based possibilities. In other words, no matter how adamant you are, no matter how vigorously you insist, no matter how much you believe what you saw was some kind of alien craft, your anecdote isn't worth the breath it takes to describe it.

As always, your arguments from incredulity and ignorance are not evidence to support the existence of aliens.
 
I do. For the same reason I dismiss the accounts of Winnie the Pooh, and the existence of Allen Grant of Jurassic Park, and Michael Weston. They're fiction.

Unless you have some physical evidence..........? ...

That's a pretty stupid analogy. I have shaken hands with Winnie the Pooh & Mickey Mouse. Both are as 'real' as you are, even if they were just characters being played by someone else.

Physical evidence of them...? To my knowledge no such thing exists.

So you only have the luxury of complete ignorance in terms of what we know about how things were built back then--ie, the luxury of refusing to read anything that may potentially disagree with you. Sorry, but that makes you a fringie.

'You' don't KNOW anything. You 'believe' what someone else has told you about what they think happened. Physical evidence is NOT something you have sought in this regard.

You insisted that these stones couldn't be carved via human tools of the time. When it was demonstrated that you could you rejected it as "found techniques", whatever that means. Then you insisted that saws couldn't be used to carve one stone. This is a serious movement of the goalpost, because you went from "period tools" to one specific tool. It's also a starwman, as none of us said that it necessarily had to be a saw that did it (given that all we have is a photograph I'm not entirely convinced that it's from the proper time period; it probably is, but the possibility of this stone being altered later on is real, and without any evidence other than a picture I can't say one way or another).

I am getting rather sick and tired of you misconstruing my statements and misrepresenting my stance. ONCE more and you will join GeeMack.

A "found technique" is one that employs NO advanced technology, but 'works' as it was intended. "Found" meaning that someone discovered it.

I said the line was NOT chiseled. I said REPEATEDLY that it looks sawed to me. The problem is no such saws have been found in the Americas. Whatever made that line is "lost", right now.

If you have an alternative dating method for the stones at PP please present it.

You also waxed somewhat poetic about the possibility of the researcher being dead, which frankly disturbs me.

"Old bird" is a term of endearment, and you just used the same word to describe his present condition that I did..."dead". I went further to say that I would have loved to ask him some further questions about other stones at PP.

That you would even bring this up, just shows the level at which you'll stoop to try to attack me.

If you do this once more, you'll go on my ignore list, without hesitation.
 
There is NO SUCH THING, as evidence of an anecdotal account. They didn't give me a 'we were here t-shirt' to show you guys. A video or picture would be taken as a forgery.

The only thing I have is my sighting.

My friend and I didn't 'imagine' anything. We witnessed something we have no explanation for...

I wish some day YOU and many others will learn that what is objected to , is NOT that you saw something, what is objected to is that YOU jump from *unknown and beyond your understanding* to *alien goddess from outer space (in bikini)*.

Unknown is unknown. You cannot conclude anything from an unknown. You cannot even conclude that all mundane explanation have been excluded.

Gee.

Now excuse me while I have a look at a passing blimp.
 
Except that your conclusion is incorrect. We can look at the evidence available and come up with plausible ways that they could have made the stones at PP. You've come across them in this thread already, and they are far more plausible then what you have said.

My conclusion, before Vort's contribution, was that the technology that did the work was "lost". "Plausibility" is something that has to be demonstrated.

Vortigern99 provided a source in post #603 that suggests how Machu Pichu was built. The evidence so far suggests that similar techniques were used to build Puma Punku.

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Could you point to where I disregarded Vort's retort?

If they do test this what will you do if they find it to be confirmed or plausible?

I have repeatedly said if you, or ANYONE, can reproduce the work with period tools, that I'd shut my yap.

Except you are claiming to know that around that time we somehow had the ability to go into space. And that traditional/known techniques were not good enough.

You are claiming to know how these works were created since "not by traditional/known techniques" is a claim. The burden is on you to show that this is indeed the case.

What part of "I don't know" doesn't compute for you?

Your moronic claim that I AM claiming anything by saying "I don't know how this work was done.", is literally the most backwards thing I have read here, this year.

And I never suggested 'when' our ancestors ascended. Stop misrepresenting my statements.
 
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You actually don't have the luxury of pretending to know what you believe to know. Here's why: You are a guy who claims to have seen some weird lights in the sky. You are a guy who linked this claimed experience with some baseless Daniken-like wild especulations.

That's the actual truth, the bottomline. You are not special, you are not a "chosen", you are not "the timely truth", you are not a "modern day Picasso", you do not have some special knowledge or skills, you are just another normal, regular, standard human being who happens to hold to a false belief.

I don't hold 'beliefs'...

I either know something, or I don't. 'Believing' isn't part of my process.

That said, I concede that 'I' am no more special than anyone else.

And if you want timely truth, I recommend you abandon skepticism, because the two are in conflict.

If over 15 years ago, I described myself as lacking peer-appreciation for my work, I guess I deserve to have that thrown back in my face. I was once much more full of piss and vinegar, and given to feats/fits of grandeur.

For several years I actually thought myself capable of creating World Peace...

I was wrong.
 
I wish some day YOU and many others will learn that what is objected to , is NOT that you saw something, what is objected to is that YOU jump from *unknown and beyond your understanding* to *alien goddess from outer space (in bikini)*.

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I don't believe in aliens.

I have only postulated "non-human intelligence driven"...
 
It's twoo.

http://geociti.es/CapitolHill/Congress/9269/ajknabe.html

On edit, looks like that geocities finally died. Imagine a typical geocities page with music and swirling logos and you get the idea. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6838649#post6838649

Originally Posted by Psiload
Okay... it's coming back to me now. Back when I first became aware of "the King", he was planning something called The World Peace Initiative. Which was to be a free concert held in the desert on the evening the New Year's Eve back in 2000.

I remember him outlining plans to have everyone gaze skyward at the stroke of midnight and welcome the alien space visitors. Yep... I specifically remember the whathaveyous came from outer space back then.

Ah... found it...

Quote:
http://geociti.es/CapitolHill/Congre...9/ajknabe.html

A.J. Knabe A self proclaimed "modern day Picasso", this 23 yeard old believes that he knows the secrets to life, God, and the search for happiness. The only problem is no one wants to listen to him...
 
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"World Peace" was going to be a 3-day concert, that was broadcast live over the internet during the millennium new year's eve.

The purpose of which was to unite the globe's attention to one spot, in hopes that 'they' would show up.

Things did not go as planned.

Back then I was stocked full of the "Audacity of Hope".
 
Your moronic claim that I AM claiming anything by saying "I don't know how this work was
done.", is literally the most backwards thing I have read here, this year.


Again, this is a falsehood, a fabrication which has no relationship to the truth. Your claim goes well beyond your admission that you don't know, a point which we've all agreed is true. You are making a claim, a positive claim, one which you have not been able/willing to support with more than arguments from incredulity, unsupported assertions, and insistent willful ignorance. You are making the claim that...

THIS LINE WAS NOT CHISELED.

It was created with a "lost technology".


Any denial of making that claim is a lie.
 
"Reavealing" for KotA.

GeeMack said:
Your moronic claim that I AM claiming anything by saying "I don't know how this work was
done.", is literally the most backwards thing I have read here, this year.


Again, this is a falsehood, a fabrication which has no relationship to the truth. Your claim goes well beyond your admission that you don't know, a point which we've all agreed is true. You are making a claim, a positive claim, one which you have not been able/willing to support with more than arguments from incredulity, unsupported assertions, and insistent willful ignorance. You are making the claim that...

THIS LINE WAS NOT CHISELED.

It was created with a "lost technology".


Any denial of making that claim is a lie.
 
No, the point is that you don't know. Arguments from ignorance and incredulity are not arguments. You haven't made a point. You keep pretending to be interested in the subject, but can't be bothered to research it. All you have proven is:

"I DON'T HOW IT WAS MADE."

To which, all I can say is - So what? You don't know a lot of things. Who cares?
 

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