'Lost Civilisations'

I don't hold 'beliefs'...

I either know something, or I don't. 'Believing' isn't part of my process.

Nope. What you have are beliefs.

You believe the lights you claim to have seen were some sort of crafts piloted by something other than humans.

You believe this something other than humans has been around for quite a while.

You believe this something other than humans was worshipped by our ancestors.

You believe that if you can' t carve something in stone with modern tools no one else can carve this something in stone with primitive tools.

Must I go on?

That said, I concede that 'I' am no more special than anyone else.

And if you want timely truth, I recommend you abandon skepticism, because the two are in conflict.

Science, critical thinking and skepticism "ascended" humans. You want me to leave them behind?

Want me to go back to worshipping figments of imagination?
Want me to leave modern medicine, modern technology and go back to the Middle Ages?

Sorry, no.

If over 15 years ago, I described myself as lacking peer-appreciation for my work, I guess I deserve to have that thrown back in my face. I was once much more full of piss and vinegar, and given to feats/fits of grandeur.

For several years I actually thought myself capable of creating World Peace...

I was wrong.

Oh, that was back them. Now you are just a humble person who happens to think that can get "them" to land by that "a moment skywards" event you plugged at another thread...

You do deserve to have your pride and arrogance thrown back in your face.
 
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Oh, that was back them. Now you are just a humble person who happens to think that can get "them" to land by that "a moment skywards" event you plugged at another thread...

You do deserve to have your pride and arrogance thrown back in your face.

I think "WE" can get them to appear, if the world looks skyward, and expects them to arrive.

'I' have no power or authority over them.
 
I think "WE" can get them to appear, if the world looks skyward, and expects them to arrive.

'I' have no power or authority over them.


I think you're on to something here.

After all, around the world many dogs and cats look to the front door and lo and behold! Their owners arrive!
 
I think you're on to something here.

After all, around the world many dogs and cats look to the front door and lo and behold! Their owners arrive!


One big difference here is that the dogs know the owners exist, do we know heavenly agents exist? Not so much.
 
KoTA, did you think there were these heavenly agents prior to your sighting?
I was raised Catholic...so yeah.


That seems to be contradictory to this position...

I don't hold 'beliefs'...

I either know something, or I don't. 'Believing' isn't part of my process.


There could be a fundamental communication problem here. King of the Americas appears to be using terms like "we" and "us" when he means just himself, and in context his term "know" seems to mean "believe", and the term "aliens" is vehemently rejected even though it describes his alleged entities nearly perfectly. No argument may ever be understood if terms like "lost", "civilization", "stone", "tools", and others are being used by King of the Americas here with meanings as far from their common definitions as "aliens", "we", "us", "know", and "believe".
 
I think it is 'more likely' that the Earth is capable of generating more than ONE sentient being, in the billions of years it has been here, RATHER than inter-stellar aliens choosing Earth to visit repeatedly.
Please provide evidence that they actually exist. Your story doesn't count, unless you can corroborate it with some hard evidence.

What I saw was intelligently driven. Their actions weren't random, as they interacted with each other.
See above.

It is a more simple explanation, I think, to accept that 'we' aren't as special as we'd like to believe, rather than require that they expended untold amounts of fuel to buzz a few nature walkers.

As soon as cave men could paint on cave walls, we see images of 'sky gods'/heavenly agents/UFO's. They have been here, for as long as men could record that fact.
This is called "paredolia". Don't feel bad for falling for it--we all do to some extent, it's hard-wired into humans. However, the mere fact that you (and others) see a UFO doesn't mean that they DREW a UFO. To shamelessly plagerize a French example, what you see as a snake eating an elephant, they may have seen as a hat.

[QOUTE]This line of reasoning is the genesis behind my "I don't believe in aliens", statement.

I see no reason to demand they came 'from' anywhere... The Earth is clearly capable of producing sentient beings. SURELY this is not a new thing. [/QUOTE]You have a hypothesis. That is good. And it can be tested. That's even better! All you need to do is find the evidence of an advanced infrastructure capable of building a spacecraft--meaning mines, heavy industry, heavy metals and other toxins, glass, and the like. Until you actually find it, you can't argue as if it's been proven (and no, your story doesn't count as evidence--EVEN IF TRUE!--because there are multiple explanations for it).

That said, I concede that 'I' am no more special than anyone else.

And if you want timely truth, I recommend you abandon skepticism, because the two are in conflict.
This has nothing to do with the skeptical movement. The problem is, you expect us to believe something that contradicts massive amounts of evidence, from multiple fields, and violates basic laws of logic, without offering any evidence to support it. A rational person cannot accept such an argument.

The Earth has brought forth others...before us.
Now you're playing MY game. What evidence is there for any other advanced civilization? All of the paleontological evidence suggests that life before us didn't use advanced tools (they may have used sticks to eat termites or ants, but nothing as advanced as a lever). Really, nothing prior to the Cenozoic had a shot--their brains are not developed for thinking the way ours are (we can tell from casts of the brain case, or more recently CAT scans and the like). During the Cenozoic we had animals with bigger brains, but nothing until the human lineages used complicated tools (and of those, only a handful used anything as advanced as a spear, and only humans went significantly further; we have the weapons they used, so we have a good handle on what their technological aptitude was). Furthermore, animal corpses desicate in specific ways. Birds and some reptiles arch their backs, for example. It's a function of the failing of muscles. Anyway, if we find an animal in one of those possitions we can deduce that it died naturally--it wasn't burried. Burrials are also associated with material possesions--weapons, jewelry, and other such things. Most of the animals we find in the fossil record either were burried in a natural death pose or were disarticulated. And none until the human lineage were burried. There's other proofs as well, but any one of them shatters your idea.

So, sorry, no, the Earth did NOT produce any other advance species. Or, more precisely, there's absolutely no evidence of such a species.
 
There could be a fundamental communication problem here. King of the Americas appears to be using terms like "we" and "us" when he means just himself

It's the royal 'we' so beloved of monarchs and schizophrenics? We are not amused...
 
...snip...All of the paleontological evidence suggests that life before us didn't use advanced tools (they may have used sticks to eat termites or ants, but nothing as advanced as a lever). Really, nothing prior to the Cenozoic had a shot--their brains are not developed for thinking the way ours are (we can tell from casts of the brain case, or more recently CAT scans and the like). ...snip...
Hey, wait a minute!

My 5-years old kid enjoys a cartoon featuring dinosaurs riding a train which travels across time and space.

You saying its not real? How dare you.

I say these dinosaurs are "they", train-riding, time-travelling dinosaurs: KotA's skygods. Of course, I have no interest in summoning them, since when "they" land, that female giganotosaurus might be hungry.
 
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I think "WE" can get them to appear, if the world looks skyward, and expects them to arrive.

'I' have no power or authority over them.

Oh, yes, sure, that´s not a belief of yours...:id::bs::id:

OK, I think "they" are dinosaurs wich ride a train that can travel through space an time. From time to time they make a lunch stop. You know, like they did some time ago with the Tiwanakus, Atlanteans, Nazca and the Anasazi, among others. Invitations can make them antecipate lunchtime. Ask the Nazca, if you can find one...
 

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