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There was someone on the United 93 forum before it went AWOL who was talking about making a film, and I suggested he float the idea over here.

If you're reading this, United 93 guy, these are the guys to hook up with.


edit: Wait a minute! Was that you, dubfan?

I was using the name "max lag" on that forum. I have read some of this thread and it is nice to see that there are some reasonable people even in the internet. I salute Gravy for he's effort.


Well, I've been thinking of making a film from al-Qaida's point of view, since like many other martyrs, few of the 911 hijackers video taped thier last wills.


Anyway, if you want to see Osama write with he's right hand and praise Muhammad Atta and so on, check my previous film:

.izdahara.tk
(I'm not allowed to post links, so just ad the www)
 
Talk about soft-spoken madmen...

Nice film Karim. Some of the interviews I have never seen before!
 
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Here's the link to that Jones video *URL SNIPPED*

He looks harmless, and he's very soft-spoken, so why do I want to kick his ass?

Because spewing enemy propaganda in a time of war does that to people? ;)

That's exactly the video I was talking about. To give you some further perspective and perhaps to give a better impression on how big a hole Jones is digging for himself I should explain a few things about what is happening there.

Given how heavily Jones is thumping the Book of Mormon (all the names and events he is discussing are taken from the BoM) my guess is that he is addressing an almost exclusively mormon audience. Furthermore (if you'll forgive me borrowing a phrase from Geggy), my gut says that gathering is taking place inside a mormon chapel or stake center. It's just the basic architectural style of the room that I'm basing this on so I can't be certain. Alot of it also depends on where he got the permission to use church property (wether it's a house of worship or on the campus of the church owned university).

The mormon church, despite the stranglehold the republican party (or it's closest philosphical equivelants here in Canada) has over the mormon vote, is very careful to distance itself from actual politicians, candidates or parties. The church is also very careful about how it's name and image are used in public in general. I myself ran for elective office up here in Alberta Canada several years back and when I did, my Bishop at the time cautioned me on what I could say inside the church so as not to violate church policy and drag the church publicly into an election campaign.

Jones isn't the first darling of the conspiracists to publicly tread dangerously close to abusing his standing in the church to artificially inflate his credibility. Colonel Bo Gritz was expelled from the LDS church for various public statements including claiming that the leaders of the LDS church had endorsed his bid for the presidency of the United States.

Now, back to Jones... if I m correct, that he is using his position in the church and church property to advocate a political position (and there's just no way in hell that this ain't political) then he is violating the churches policy. Professorships at BYU don't work the way they do in other universities. Like all paid employees of the church, Jones is required to live according to the teachings of the church. Lying about threats and bribes from government agents and using his position at a church owned institution to attack elected officials without supporting evidence is a great for him to get himself fired.

Again, this is mostly speculation on my part. But knowing that neither science nor the actual engineers at his university are behind him makes the rest of his claims shaky at best.
 
Like all paid employees of the church, Jones is required to live according to the teachings of the church. Lying about threats and bribes from government agents and using his position at a church owned institution to attack elected officials without supporting evidence is a great for him to get himself fired.
My Mormon friend said much the same thing.

Of course, if this happens, Jones will likely blame it on the conspiracy.

But then, he will have been fired by MIB (Mormons In BYU). :D
 
My Mormon friend said much the same thing.

Of course, if this happens, Jones will likely blame it on the conspiracy.

But then, he will have been fired by MIB (Mormons In BYU). :D

I love when a kook hassles institution X because they believe that institution X is hassling them. Finally, institution X starts hassling them in response to their hassling and the kook says, "HA! Told you institution X was hassling me!"

Self-fulfilling idiocy
 
That's it! Dr. Adequate and aggle have hit on something important here, and I think we need a name for it. Ockham's kaleidoscope?

I got an email from a fellow who's got a fun website and a snazzy link to my critique: http://www.perrylogan.org/

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I'll pass on that site. Guy's too much of an anti-gun-owner bigot for my tastes. I'd like to see him call Wyatt Earp a coward to his face.
 
hahaha! the best part of this thread is how much more stupid the conspiracy gets. Geggy has now said that its a CD made to not look like CD. I mean hahahaha what can you honestly say? He is back to square one. I mean how cool, not only have the CT crowd started to give up on the CD theory, instead they are now changing it to be a CD made to not look like a CD, but of course...they know this based on the evidence they used when it was an obvious CD but isn't now...

The saga begins again as there theory changes again.

Funny stuff
 
I thought the whole hemp thing was squashed after WW2 by dupont?

ahhh more people to silence!
 
Okay, well, there's your problem.

I'm using someone elses computer in these days, and it's someone who's never bothered to get a decent WP. So in the end I opened it with NotePad, then selected all, cutted and pasted it into Word Pad, and then read that. Unfortunately, you lose the graphics, but since you have the pdf that's no big deal. Most of the links and formatting is lost too however and you have to put up with a lot of weird stuff here and there, but the text is intact. It's the best I could do. If anyone knows another way, I'm all ears.

You could use OpenOffice to view the file as well. It's a completely free, open source office suite which offers the functionality of and the compatibility with Microsoft Office. I don't have the link on hand, but there's even a variant out there which you could run from a PenDrive if they can't/won't want it installed on their PC.

I'm not allowed to post links yet, but just do a search on OpenOffice through Google, and it should be the very first link.
 
If Dylan Avery had made JFK ...

* The "limousine" JFK was riding in was really a hovercraft disguised as a limousine.

* Halfway through the motorcade, it was diverted to Cleveland where everyone in it was replaced by animatronic robots.

* The Book Depository wasn't a real building but a large cardboard facade erected so that "Oswald" would have somewhere to "shoot" from.

* Lee Harvey Oswald never actually existed. All supposed images of him were produced by the Walt Disney Corporation.

* No bullets were in fact fired. Kennedy's head was rigged with explosives and destroyed in a controlled demolition.

* The Zapruder footage clearly shows squibs coming out of JFK's head.

* Someone tangentially connected with the assassination once used the word "pull", which is tantamount to a signed and sealed confession that he made JFK's head explode.

* Jacqueline Kennedy was really a man.
 
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