Loose Change

[geggy]

You're doing a heckuva job debunking, kcin...!

 

[60hzxtl]

. But there were several witnesses such as janitor of WTC WIlliam Rodriquez who were on the first floor to help lead the people their way out of the door and then felt an explosion. He told the sept white house that he was willing to testify in front of the commisson, that he heard an explosion coming from the basement.

Um yeah - imagine that, an explosion! In a building on fire! That never happened before!

Stuff falling down the elevator shafts, (the ones that Dylan says are "airtight" har har har! Like a pneumatic tube sonny? ) sounded like explosions. PEOPLE jumping to their deaths, the sound of them hitting was described to be like "an explosion" never mind that everything from the water cooler, to your computer terminal will explode in a fire. I'm SURE that those "explosions" were the pre planted bombs that nobody saw. Those hijackers just have a bad rep! They were such sweeties!

 

[WildCat]

And of course, like all other controlled demolitions, the explosions go off starting an hour before the actual demolition.

 

[JPK]

Heh this should be good. By the way GRAVY, YOU STILL OWE ME OSAMA TAPE...



Heyya

Yeah i admit I made mistakes when I thought nookular was planted in the basement of the building.

OK, so we are past the Nuke thing and are moving on.
1. Building was rigged from the begining to explode at a future date
2. Massive amounts of explosives were smuggled in secretly at some point to be detonated at some future time.
Either case still requires it to be timed to blow after some planes happen to smash into them.
And these explainations still sound more plausible to you then the official report?
JPK
E.T.A By the way, what was it that changed your mind about the Nuke theory?

 

[WildCat]

Apparently, there is a rift developing in the lunatic conspiracy theory community. In this thread Dylan Avery says "I blew up on the North Cali alliance and I shouldn't have, I should have merely laughed at their arrogance and walked away, but I don't like people trashing me in my own element."

I wonder what the issue was?

 

[Dr Adequate]

1. Building was rigged from the begining to explode at a future date

This would have been set off by any fire that broke out in the WTC.

2. Massive amounts of explosives were smuggled in secretly at some point to be detonated at some future time.

If geggy wants to know, and I assume he doesn't, here's some information from howstuffworks.com about how to do a controlled demolition:

"In order to demolish a building safely, blasters must map out each element of the implosion ahead of time. The first step is to examine architectural blueprints of the building, if they can be located, to determine how the building is put together. Next, the blaster crew tours the building (several times), jotting down notes about the support structure on each floor. Once they have gathered all the raw data they need, the blasters hammer out a plan of attack.

Once they have a clear idea of how the structure should fall, it's time to prepare the building. The first step in preparation, which often begins before the blasters have actually surveyed the site, is to clear any debris out of the building. Next, construction crews, or, more accurately, destruction crews, begin taking out non-load-bearing walls within the building. This makes for a cleaner break at each floor: If these walls were left intact, they would stiffen the building, hindering its collapse. Destruction crews may also weaken the supporting columns with sledge hammers or steel-cutters, so that they give way more easily.

Blasters cram this explosive material into narrow bore holes drilled in the concrete columns. When the explosives are ignited, the sudden outward pressure sends a powerful shock wave busting through the column at supersonic speed, shattering the concrete into tiny chunks ... Columns are fully loaded with explosives and hooked up to blasting caps and fuses.

To make sure they don't overload or under-load the support structure, the blasters perform a test blast on a few of the columns, which they wrap in a shield for safety. The blasters try out varying degrees of explosive material, and based on the effectiveness of each explosion, they determine the minimum explosive charge needed to demolish the columns."

Either case still requires it to be timed to blow after some planes happen to smash into them.

As I pointed out, it's worse than that --- you need explosives which don't explode even though the building's on fire because some planes happen to smash into it.

 

[CurtC]

If someone can get FACTS straight, Chuck Norris is the guy...

Earlier in this thread, somone noted how the CT people kept coming in here one at a time, getting their ass kicked, then another would come in and do the same, and I noted that I felt like Chuck Norris. The similarity is there!

 

[WildCat]

Earlier in this thread, somone noted how the CT people kept coming in here one at a time, getting their ass kicked, then another would come in and do the same, and I noted that I felt like Chuck Norris. The similarity is there!

There is no chin under Chuck Norris's beard. There is only another fist.

 

[Pardalis]

Earlier in this thread, somone noted how the CT people kept coming in here one at a time, getting their ass kicked, then another would come in and do the same, and I noted that I felt like Chuck Norris. The similarity is there!

Correction:"getting their ass roundhouse kicked"

 

[Manny]

Nothing to it - just put the science over LC's tripe - anyone can narrate it - even Randi - They provide the pictures, you provide the explanation, back up with facts. They are selling smoke at LC.

One thing I'd like any video to be is much, much shorter than LC. That shouldn't be very difficult; in addition to being full of crap it's full of fluff and is very poorly made. I'd guess that a rebuttal of all the facts in LC should take about 20 minutes, 40 if you want to include background on some of the crackpots and stuff.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Heh this should be good.

Settle down, Beavis!

 

[Gravy]

Hurtman...
That makes no sense....if what you've claimed was true, then the puff o' dust would have blasted out of more than just one window.

[qimg]http://www.explosive911analysis.com/B24.jpg[/qimg]

Either it was a very successful terrorist attack or it was a sloppy one..

geggy, you obviously didn't read my post in response to your squib. You're making more of a fool of yolurself each time you post. As I suggested before, watch the video and learn.

Also, you're supposed to use the "Image Host" feature of this forum, rather than hotlinking.
Do you see any differences between the last demo image you posted and the WTC?

 

[Gravy]

A person using the name Nefastus on IMDB.com wrote this in the United 93 forum. I thought it was interesting.

I've corrected some of the spelling.
I would have posted this earlier, but I was waiting for the authors permission

Interesting post. I don't know how it's possible for JP4 to "freeburn" at 9752°F though.

 

[Gravy]

since the loosers like to compare things that have nothing in common, like a warehouse fire and how the WTC collapsed. i figured i can do the same thing.

they say its impossible for a plane to penetrate all those walls at the pentagon.
yet i have found evidence that a 2x4 can go clean through a pall tree during a hurricane. so, if i use loosers logic, i can say that it is possible for a plane to penetrate through all those walls. heres the evidence for it. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2000/of00-006/images/palm.jpg

coincidently, that part of the tree was just reinforced in case of such an attack by hurricanes.

People forget that the bottom floor of the Pentagon is an Open floor Plan." The light wells that make up the "rings" don't start until the 2nd floor. There were no major walls between where flight 77 struck and the hole made by some parts in C ring.

 

[Gravy]

I think that's an excellent idea, maybe we should start up a fund.

I'm in if we can blow stuff up.

I've been saying this for a few days, but the new version of my critique will be out today. It's much, much more effective. Lots of new stuff, most sarcasm removed, easy to read, new photos. geggy is my ghostwriter.

 

[Gravy]

Heh this should be good. By the way GRAVY, YOU STILL OWE ME OSAMA TAPE...
geggy, I don't owe you anything. How many times have I told you to stop asking people to do your homework for you? You accused me of doctoring a photo. Then you asked me for a video clip. If you want a bin Laden video that you can be sure I haven't altered, you shouldn't be asking ME for it, capisce? If you don't trust me, you shouldn't trust my sources. It takes 5 minutes. Find your own.

Do your homework. You made ten claims in A SINGLE PARAGRAPH yesterday and didn't back a single one up with evidence.

My suggestion? Start from your post #1, read the responses, don't rely on others to do your homework, and start learning something. ANYTHING.

 

[Gravy]

But there were several witnesses such as janitor of WTC WIlliam Rodriquez who were on the first floor to help lead the people their way out of the door and then felt an explosion. He told the sept white house that he was willing to testify in front of the commisson, that he heard an explosion coming from the basement. But he was rejected just as many other witnesses who volunteered to testify to the commission.

Here's what Rodriguez, who has been "on tour" with Jimmy Walter, initially said:

"We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "and then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off."

AN HOUR LATER, THE BUILDING COLLAPSED FROM THE TOP.
And that backs up your controlled demolition theory how?

Video footage indicated that the majority of the smoke appeared to be coming from the south side of the building at that time as opposed to the other sides of the building. This is corroborated by Figure 5-17, a photograph taken at 3:36 p.m that shows the south face of WTC 7 covered with a thick cloud of smoke, and only small amounts of smoke emanating from the 27th and 28th floors of the west face of WTC 7.

News coverage after 1:30 p.m. showed light-colored smoke flowing out of openings on the upper floors of the south side of the building. Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating."

I have no idea of what you're saying is deceptive. What are you saying?


edited to fix quote

 

[Gravy]

Apparently, there is a rift developing in the lunatic conspiracy theory community. In this thread Dylan Avery says "I blew up on the North Cali alliance and I shouldn't have, I should have merely laughed at their arrogance and walked away, but I don't like people trashing me in my own element."

I wonder what the issue was?

I wonder what his "element" is?

 

[Ramooone]

Interesting post. I don't know how it's possible for JP4 to "freeburn" at 9752°F though.

where can you find the temperatures for which these fuels burn?

 

[Gravy]

This would have been set off by any fire that broke out in the WTC.

Here's a bit from Controlled Demolition Inc. about how they prepared for a world-record demolition...of a building that's more than three times shorter than the Twin Towers. Of course, this is if you care about collateral damage.

Homrich/NASDI’s 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI’s implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson’s internal structure was removed by the implosion.

Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns
weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.

CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty-four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.