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chipmunk stew said:
Look again, Belz..., that orange-brown stuff around the base of the building is exactly the same color as the globs of fallout that my workers have to clean up when a nuclear power plant melts down in "Civ III".
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hahahahahahaha ahh man...nice.....
 
dubfan said:
Right now, it's my first read of the day. I think it's been averaging at least 2 collapses into hysterics per page, so far. I haven't actually read *all* of the thread, though. I'm saving pages 20-50. Kind of like a little rainy day fund. Or mad money. Ya know, stuff like that.

I just hope someone can find the time and resources to produce a film from Gravy's excellent and very thorough debunking. Normally I can't be bothered to give a CT the time of day, but the fact that this piece of crap is getting airtime thru major media outlets and watching Dylan Avery's head blow up to the size of an exploding 757 as he profits from the dead... Something needs to be done.
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the ultimate would be a 2 hour debunk with Penn and Teller doing the work on it.

Loose count the number of times Penn would say "...and then theres this @sshole..."
 
Ramooone said:
where can you find the temperatures for which these fuels burn?
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Good question. First instinct was to check the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. No luck. Google searches for "jp4 physical properties", and "how hot is a jet fuel fire" don't turn up much that's helpful, or authoritative.

I've seen that 9752°F figure before, though. Just can't remember where.
 
dubfan said:
Good question. First instinct was to check the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. No luck. Google searches for "jp4 physical properties", and "how hot is a jet fuel fire" don't turn up much that's helpful, or authoritative.

I've seen that 9752°F figure before, though. Just can't remember where.
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ive been searching for a while today can't find anything on any kind of jet fuel. hmm. i wonder where the loosers got their info or did they make all that up too, wouldn't surprise me.
 
The thing I don't get about this conspiracy nonsense is how the president (or whoever in the government is "lying" to us) is so good at doing it for this conspiracy and is so bad at doing it when it comes to yellowcake uranium or connections to 9/11. You would expect the level of competence to translate over to other "conspiracies."

On another note thanks to everyone on this forum for getting these arguments out there. A close friend of mine saw LC and sent me the link. I told him I didn't buy it but I hadn't come across a lot of what LC claims and couldn't really argue the points. I sent him a link to this thread and the popular mechanics article and he agreed that the conspiracy theories are not plausible. The blackbox recordings from United Flight 93 played at the Moussaoui trial didn't hurt either.
 
Kage said:
On another note thanks to everyone on this forum for getting these arguments out there. A close friend of mine saw LC and sent me the link. I told him I didn't buy it but I hadn't come across a lot of what LC claims and couldn't really argue the points. I sent him a link to this thread and the popular mechanics article and he agreed that the conspiracy theories are not plausible. The blackbox recordings from United Flight 93 played at the Moussaoui trial didn't hurt either.
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Another successful effort!
And welcome, Kage!

I hope there's many more who see this thread and realize the CT is nonsense, but don't post.
 
Kage said:
The thing I don't get about this conspiracy nonsense is how the president (or whoever in the government is "lying" to us) is so good at doing it for this conspiracy and is so bad at doing it when it comes to yellowcake uranium or connections to 9/11. You would expect the level of competence to translate over to other "conspiracies."
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You'd at least think they'd have the gumption to have "found" some planted some WMD in Iraq by now. Of course, the CTs have an answer for that, too. Which is that the government somehow succesfully pulled off 9/11 and is now feigning incompetence in Iraq. Just to throw everyone off the trail.
 
dubfan said:
You'd at least think they'd have the gumption to have "found" some planted some WMD in Iraq by now. Of course, the CTs have an answer for that, too. Which is that the government somehow succesfully pulled off 9/11 and is now feigning incompetence in Iraq. Just to throw everyone off the trail.
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So Bush Jr. is really a smart guy after all. Their incomptence is just a façade, wow, this is unprecedented!
 
Hmmm, geggy has been gone a while. Let's bet he's coming back with the same old anti-Bush rhetoric and links to the same old CT sites... If he does, I want a kitty pic.:D
 
Pardalis said:
So Bush Jr. is really a smart guy after all. Their incomptence is just a façade, wow, this is unprecedented!
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Well, part of it's a facade. The part where the security situation in the Sunni triangle is dicey -- that's real incompetence. The not-finding-any-WMD part is feigned incompetence.

Please. Try to keep up. ;)
 
By the way, there are two guys over in the LC Lounge -- FM258 and Zor -- who claim they never got their confirmation email. This doesn't seem like the kind of board to shirk from a challenge... Were they banned over here or something?

I can't imagine they'd fare any better than Alek or geggy or whoever the CT whipping boy du jour is.
 
dubfan said:
By the way, there are two guys over in the LC Lounge -- FM258 and Zor -- who claim they never got their confirmation email. This doesn't seem like the kind of board to shirk from a challenge... Were they banned over here or something?

I can't imagine they'd fare any better than Alek or geggy or whoever the CT whipping boy du jour is.
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I hope they'll try again. Keep 'em coming!
 
dubfan said:
By the way, there are two guys over in the LC Lounge -- FM258 and Zor -- who claim they never got their confirmation email. This doesn't seem like the kind of board to shirk from a challenge... Were they banned over here or something?

I can't imagine they'd fare any better than Alek or geggy or whoever the CT whipping boy du jour is.
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No, they're just cowards is all. Unlike their little fascist forum no one is ever banned here simply for disagreeing w/ everyone else. I suspect they can't take the heat, so they stay out of the kitchen.

Plus, this forum has way too many passionate smart people posting for them to get away w/ flooding us w/ a storm of conspiracy BS and get away w/ it unchallenged. Look what they did to the Flight 93 board, they basically shut it down w/ their constant spamming. And they're proud of it!
 
WildCat said:
No, they're just cowards is all. Unlike their little fascist forum no one is ever banned here simply for disagreeing w/ everyone else. I suspect they can't take the heat, so they stay out of the kitchen.

Plus, this forum has way too many passionate smart people posting for them to get away w/ flooding us w/ a storm of conspiracy BS and get away w/ it unchallenged. Look what they did to the Flight 93 board, they basically shut it down w/ their constant spamming. And they're proud of it!
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While I'm not disagreeing with you, it's not unknown for confirmation emails to get munched by overzealous spam filters. That could have happened in this case.

They should search their spambox for emails with "JREF" in the title.

ETA: Heh, the Loosers just suspended my account. As you say, they can't take the heat.
 
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Kevin_Lowe said:
While I'm not disagreeing with you, it's not unknown for confirmation emails to get munched by overzealous spam filters. That could have happened in this case.

They should search their spambox for emails with "JREF" in the title.
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No, they didn't fill out the application fully. Because they're paranoid, they didn't put down their correct locations, and probably used fake names as well. Otherwise "they" will come for them, no doubt.

ETA: Heh, the Loosers just suspended my account. As you say, they can't take the heat.
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You must have been making some good points!
 
WildCat said:
No, they didn't fill out the application fully. Because they're paranoid, they didn't put down their correct locations
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You mean the registration process here validates the location of your IP address vs. the state you enter?
 
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