Loose Change - Part III

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tacodaemon said:
around on YouTube and Google Video found me some CTs whose narration style undercuts his presentation even more than, like, I mean, hey man, Dylan's does. Check out this guy's "angry drunk muttering on a streetcorner" sound:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=40m3p8z-IJw

They all ought to hire the guy who hosted the "that was not an American Airlines" clip* since he at least has a sorta professional-looking on-camera style.

* http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/more-eyewitness-evidence.html
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Thank you.
 
The way the woo-woos have flooded YouTube and Google with videos really bears up the observation about how visual they are, and how they'd rather watch little movies than read lots of text, even though the text can be more information-dense in many cases. In fact, I think the video format works pretty well for a lot of the CT stuff, since it seems like it's easier to build a long video out of innuendo and cherry-picked information than to make a long text file from the same. Kind of like the observation, repeatedly pointed out to me in journalism school, that the transcript for an entire evening TV news program wouldn't fill up a couple of columns of one page of the NY Times.
 
The other thing is its easy for everyone to look at a video and have their own interpretation of what is going on (of course it's not their own interpretation, it's the interpretation the narrator wants them to have). Given that most people have very little skill in serious video interpretation, it means everyone *thinks* they know what's going on, but really don't.

In contrast most (not all, sadly) CTers have reasonable enough reading comprehension that they can't really reinterpret text a different way. It's much harder for them to invent their own version of what is being presented.

-Andrew
 
JamesB said:
Yeah, but getting shot is so mundane, how original is that? Hell, most of the major rap stars have been shot several times. Being guillotined on the other hand has that cool French Revolution Marie Antionette thing going for it.
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Especially one that was made in China that you got from Wal-Mart.
 
Well my suspension on the LC forum has ended with me being banned. Since I haven't posted anything there in two weeks, I can only imagine it's because of something I posted here. Not to whine, but that is total BS!
 
Brainster said:
Hmmm, Free Press International, where have we heard of them before? Oh, yeah, they had the blog that Dylan focused in on while claiming he was showing us a Newsweek story.
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Unsurprisingly, the Free Press International guy who narrates that video clip, Greg Ericson, is one of those types like Loose Change Jason who believe every conspiracy theory that comes their way. This page brings you his email conversation with a spokesman for the Denver International Airport, which various nutballs believe is built atop a secret underground city run by the New World Order and the space aliens and the Queen of England where little children are tortured underground and so on:

freepressinternational.com/denver.html
 
tacodaemon said:
Unsurprisingly, the Free Press International guy who narrates that video clip, Greg Ericson, is one of those types like Loose Change Jason who believe every conspiracy theory that comes their way. This page brings you his email conversation with a spokesman for the Denver International Airport, which various nutballs believe is built atop a secret underground city run by the New World Order and the space aliens and the Queen of England where little children are tortured underground and so on:

freepressinternational.com/denver.html
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[mike meyers]

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentaveret?

Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eye! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

[/mike meyers]
 
JamesB said:
The 9/11 "Scholars" now have a forum set up to debate their profound academic works. Any bets on how long it takes them to ban Gravy?

http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=859c6dcd930e75b213a0b1562c2189ba&mforum=911studies
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Interesting that it is brumsen as a moderator. He's been struggling over at the BAUTforum trying to make his points there. Even he admits a lot of weakness in the S911 crew. If gravy is banned at this new forum for no good reason, we can outright ask at the bautforum what the deal was.
 
Gravy said:
I suppose some sort of ceramic container would do, with some way to hold the container tightly against the steel as it melts. And let's not forget the radio-controlled detonators. To install that kind of thing on the necessary floors should only take a few months. I think I remember a time...


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I was in NYC during that cleaning. Totally sucked. I was really looking forward to visiting the Twins, too. You think that sign may have contributed to weakening the structure?
 
chipmunk stew said:
I was in NYC during that cleaning. Totally sucked. I was really looking forward to visiting the Twins, too. You think that sign may have contributed to weakening the structure?
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It looks like the sign is held up with huge black cables, but it's actually 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS.
 
Controlled Demolition Tapes Prove WTC Not CD?

Here's a post I'm working on for SLC. We often hear about how the speed of the WTC Towers' collapses indicates controlled demolition, so I thought I'd take a look at the speed of a real CD where we know the height of the building. To my surprise, I discovered that the WTC came down too fast for controlled demolition.

Comments? I don't have any illusions about this proving anything; for one thing I don't buy the 8 and 10 seconds cited by CTers and the 9-11 Commission for the collapse times. It's just another example of how even the evidence the Truthers cite doesn't show what they think it shows.
 
Brainster said:
Here's a post I'm working on for SLC. We often hear about how the speed of the WTC Towers' collapses indicates controlled demolition, so I thought I'd take a look at the speed of a real CD where we know the height of the building. To my surprise, I discovered that the WTC came down too fast for controlled demolition.

Comments? I don't have any illusions about this proving anything; for one thing I don't buy the 8 and 10 seconds cited by CTers and the 9-11 Commission for the collapse times. It's just another example of how even the evidence the Truthers cite doesn't show what they think it shows.
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Lots of variables to consider here. You're only using one example of CD as a representative of all, are the structures similar in construction, what type of CD was it, what structural weakening was done, when did the first charges go off, how tall was the building, are the video speeds correct, etc. I would expect that the first portion of a Twin Tower collapse would be at about the same speed as a CD, and that the last part would be much faster, due to acceleration. Thus I would expect that dividing the time of collapse by the building height would lead to a shorter average time of collapse for the Twin Towers.
 
Brainster said:
Here's a post I'm working on for SLC. We often hear about how the speed of the WTC Towers' collapses indicates controlled demolition, so I thought I'd take a look at the speed of a real CD where we know the height of the building. To my surprise, I discovered that the WTC came down too fast for controlled demolition.

Comments? I don't have any illusions about this proving anything; for one thing I don't buy the 8 and 10 seconds cited by CTers and the 9-11 Commission for the collapse times. It's just another example of how even the evidence the Truthers cite doesn't show what they think it shows.
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I did some rough maths involving momentum, and someone else on the LC forum made an excel spreadsheet with them (to try and disprove me) and it came out that the fastest the tower would come down if the floors started collapsing from the top, ie 110 hits 109, then 110 +109 hits 108. Assuming complete conservation of energy, the shortest time was approx 15 seconds. Assuming 75% energy wasted at each stage, the time was 20 seconds. That didn't include the fact that the top section comprised of about 20 floors, and so had over 20 times the mass (because of elevator equipment etc).
 
JamesB said:
You have got to love this press release on the recent 9/11 conference. Especially this part praising Alex Jones. What a stud!

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-23-2006/0004386319&EDATE=
...A founder of the 9/11 truth movement, Alex Jones was recently cited as being the William Jennings Bryant of the 9/11 band" in a recent New York
Times article...
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Then when you scroll all the way down to the bottom and you notice:

SOURCE Alex Jones
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"William Jennings Bryant"?!?

Must be Anita's brother.

Somebody needs to crucify Jones on a cross of thermite.
 
I apologize for my comment above that could sound like I was calling for someone to be harmed. It was a fairly lame reference to a famous William Jennings Bryan speech, but I realize that some, especially our Looser visitors, would be unlikely to know their history, and think I was actually threatening someone or trying to encourage others to harm someone. Sorry about that.
 
I doubt any of the Loosers would know who William Jennings Bryan (or Bryant) is. He hasn't been on MTV's Real World yet.
 
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