Loose Change - Part III

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It's not like a guillotine is an especially difficult aparatus to assemble and construct. Why would they need to import Chinese ones?

ETA: And why would they need guillotines when they got guns? lol

Yeah, but getting shot is so mundane, how original is that? Hell, most of the major rap stars have been shot several times. Being guillotined on the other hand has that cool French Revolution Marie Antionette thing going for it.
 
Jones theory is that an unknown amount of floors and some unknown combination of explosives and thermite/thermate(possibly superthermite) caused the buildings to fall.
Since thermite can't burn sideways he is trying to come up with some sort of fireproof, ultra tough cylinder/wedge that was welded to an unknown amount of core/perimeter columns that causes thermite to burn in diagonal lines.
I suppose some sort of ceramic container would do, with some way to hold the container tightly against the steel as it melts. And let's not forget the radio-controlled detonators. To install that kind of thing on the necessary floors should only take a few months. I think I remember a time...

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Thanks for the welcomes above... by the way, after posting my second post above, I smacked my forehead and remembered that Christophera's "concrete core" photo shows the South Tower collapse while the "spire" was part of the North Tower collapse. How many times do I need to post before I get editing privileges for my previous posts? [[ETA: never mind, it looks like I can now.]]

Anyway, anyone who thinks that Google Earth measurement graphic I posted will be useful for future discussions with CTers can go ahead and use it with my blessings. (How long until Christophera's current ban ends?)

By the way, in case anyone didn't know, JREF users "Brainster" and "JamesB" are the brains behind the Screw Loose Change blog.

I'll agree with that, and it was Screw Loose Change that let me know Randi's fans were talking about Loose Change online; I actually didn't know until now that JREF had a Web forum. Although I didn't sign up to post until clawing my eyes out watching dubfan dealing with that Gerard character whose proof that there were no WTC planes is his own lack of understanding of image compression and forward momentum.

Anyway, some poking around on YouTube and Google Video found me some CTs whose narration style undercuts his presentation even more than, like, I mean, hey man, Dylan's does. Check out this guy's "angry drunk muttering on a streetcorner" sound:

youtube.com/watch?v=40m3p8z-IJw

They all ought to hire the guy who hosted the "that was not an American Airlines" clip* since he at least has a sorta professional-looking on-camera style.

* screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/more-eyewitness-evidence.html
 
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Man, I feel kind of sorry for Jules and Gedeon Naudet. The very top Google hit for "Naudet brothers" right now is a "review" of their film by the no-planes-hit-the-WTC woo-woo Scott Loughrey. Who also cites Webfairy and Ubinger, even though I'm pretty sure Ubinger isn't a no-planer. (Didn't he complain once about being quoted in support of a hologram theory, since he doesn't believe in the hologram theory -- although the no-planers apparently have abandoned the hologram theory too, considering how upset Gerard gets when people bring it up. I swear, keeping track of these CTers is worse than keeping track of the splintering of communist groups in the '50s and '60s.)

And then a few hits below that for the "Naudet brothers" search is some nonsense from Leslie Raphael at serendipity.li, whose evidence that the Naudets are agents of the conspiracy includes: (1) they didn't immediately become Hollywood superstar directors after graduating from a prestigious film school, and (2) they haven't been milking their celebrity for all it's worth since their 9/11 movie came out. You know, never mind that the latter seems in-character for the brothers, who seem sort of reserved and ethically traditional (considering Jules' refusal to film the burning people in the North Tower lobby, and both brothers' refusal to film the human corpses around them).
 
Speaking of Jones and Fetzer, I've tried a couple of times to get them to clarify information about their ST911 members list, to no avail. Perhaps others would like to give it a shot. This was my last attempt:

To: [email protected], [email protected]

Subject: Second request for your help
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:58:32 -0500

Dear Dr. Fetzer and Dr. Jones,

I am writing to ask for your help in answering a question that keeps
arising regarding the Scholars for 9/11 Truth. As a critic of some
aspects of the 9/11 Truth Movement (specifically of the movie "Loose
Change), I am on the record as stating that I don't know of any
structural engineers who support the controlled demolition theory.

Several times I have been directed to your website and told that some
of your full and associate members have structural engineering (and
in one case fire safety engineering) credentials. These are some of
the names that have been mentioned:

Jean-Pierre Petit (FM) Aeronautics, astrophysics, engineering
Brian Duncan (AM) Fire Protection Engineering; Art and Creative
Director; The Flywire, theflywire.com
Eric Hermanson (AM) Engineering Physics, Nuclear Engineering,
Software Architect
Michael Lovingier (AM) Information technology manager ,
Structural/Environmental Engineering
Ted Muga (AM) Naval aviator; Commercial pilot; Structural engineering

Neither I nor the people who directed me to these names have been
able to verify that the descriptions given for these people indicate
more than areas of interest. Will you please tell me if these people
are credentialed in the professions listed? It would be helpful if
these clarifications were also made on your site. This issue has been
raised with me several times, and no doubt many other people have
wondered about it.

I appreciate your help.

Sincerely,
Mark Roberts
 
Jean-Pierre Petit (FM) Aeronautics, astrophysics, engineering

This is the guy who is considered a joke, even by French standards, for insisting the US is testing anti-matter weapons on Jupiter. I could not find anything he had written on 9/11 though. Maybe it is all in French?

I haven't looked into the other guys, I probably will when I have time, the "scholars" really annoy me.
 
You have got to love this press release on the recent 9/11 conference. Especially this part praising Alex Jones. What a stud!

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-23-2006/0004386319&EDATE=

According to Alex Jones, despite the official story and cover-up,
Americans now know that the Bush family is intimately involved in the
business dealings of the Bin Laden family. Americans are aware of the
irrefutable fact that Dick Cheney gained sole power over the nation's
emergency air defense only a few months before 9/11 and had NORAD stand
down on that fateful day. Recently declassified documents like "Operation
Northwoods" which illustrates US government plans to hijack passenger
planes to create a false terrorist threat and incite war are waking people
up to the fact that what happened on September 11th is just another in a
long line of false flag, US government-sponsored terror operations.

A founder of the 9/11 truth movement, Alex Jones was recently cited as
being the William Jennings Bryant of the 9/11 band" in a recent New York
Times article
(select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10C10FF3F550C768CDDAF0894DE40448
2). He has produced 13 documentary films, including Martial Law
(http://www.infowars.com/martial_law_911.htm ) , the definitive September
11th film covering how the government has used terror as a pretext to
metamorphose America into a Police State and providing an in-depth analysis
of the collapse of Building 7.

His latest film, "Terror Storm," which will debut at the American
Scholars Symposium covers government-sponsored terrorism from September 11
to the London Bombings. Jones hosts a national radio show weekdays on over
80 FM and AM stations, and is a frequent guest on Coast to Coast AM. He has
been featured as a prominent figure in the 9/11 Truth Movement in such
publications as the New York Times, Vanity Fair, Popular Mechanics etc. and
has recently appeared on MTV, CNN, CBC etc. He also appears in Warner
Brother's Independent's "A Scanner Darkly," (a film starring Keanu Reaves
and featuring Wynona Ryder, Robert Downing, JR, & Woody Harrelson). A
portion of "A Scanner Darkly" will screen at the American Scholars
Symposium (this is prior to its general release July 7, 2006).

Then when you scroll all the way down to the bottom and you notice:

SOURCE Alex Jones
 
Thanks for the welcomes above... by the way, after posting my second post above, I smacked my forehead and remembered that Christophera's "concrete core" photo shows the South Tower collapse while the "spire" was part of the North Tower collapse. How many times do I need to post before I get editing privileges for my previous posts? [[ETA: never mind, it looks like I can now.]
Christophera is probably aware of that. He's claiming that both towers had concrete cores, and I think he just used the spire because it shows what he thinks it there. Then again, he didn't know that the remains of the core he constantly refers to as 17' thick concrete, is from the north tower, not the south. I'm sure he'll be back in a day or two and will clear that right up.

Anyway, some poking around on YouTube and Google Video found me some CTs whose narration style undercuts his presentation even more than, like, I mean, hey man, Dylan's does. Check out this guy's "angry drunk muttering on a streetcorner" sound:
youtube.com/watch?v=40m3p8z-IJw
Holy mackeral. About flight 77 he says, "Why did they not just fly out (from the airport) 5 or 6 miles and make a u-turn and come right back?" Had to catch my breath after that one.
 
Jean-Pierre Petit (FM) Aeronautics, astrophysics, engineering

This is the guy who is considered a joke, even by French standards, for insisting the US is testing anti-matter weapons on Jupiter. I could not find anything he had written on 9/11 though. Maybe it is all in French?

I haven't looked into the other guys, I probably will when I have time, the "scholars" really annoy me.
I'm 99.9% sure that I know the answer to the question I posed to Jones and Fetzer. I just want to see if they wlll acknowledge it.

Do you mean to say we're NOT testing antimatter weapons on Jupiter?
 
They all ought to hire the guy who hosted the "that was not an American Airlines" clip* since he at least has a sorta professional-looking on-camera style.



That was taken from the "In Plane Sight" video... which was the first 9/11 CT video I ever saw... and is probably the most stupid.

It includes the "pod plane" the "missile launched before impact" the "cruise missile into pentagon" etc...

-Andrew
 
Christophera is probably aware of that. He's claiming that both towers had concrete cores, and I think he just used the spire because it shows what he thinks it there. Then again, he didn't know that the remains of the core he constantly refers to as 17' thick concrete, is from the north tower, not the south. I'm sure he'll be back in a day or two and will clear that right up.

Some might find this interesting:
http://NoConcreteCore.741.com/

I posted it the other thread christophera haunts, but figured i'd get it here too, just to annoy him some more.

Anyway most of it is my own criticism, I wish I had time to hunt down the stuff other forumites got but really didn't have time to review the thousands of messages in the 2 threads.

My absolute favorite was hunting down one of his quotes proving a concrete core and finding it came from a grade school report.

Sorry about the pop-ups, I'll probably move it somewhere else later own.
 
Thanks for the welcomes above... by the way, after posting my second post above, I smacked my forehead and remembered that Christophera's "concrete core" photo shows the South Tower collapse while the "spire" was part of the North Tower collapse. How many times do I need to post before I get editing privileges for my previous posts? [[ETA: never mind, it looks like I can now.]]

Anyway, anyone who thinks that Google Earth measurement graphic I posted will be useful for future discussions with CTers can go ahead and use it with my blessings. (How long until Christophera's current ban ends?)



I'll agree with that, and it was Screw Loose Change that let me know Randi's fans were talking about Loose Change online; I actually didn't know until now that JREF had a Web forum. Although I didn't sign up to post until clawing my eyes out watching dubfan dealing with that Gerard character whose proof that there were no WTC planes is his own lack of understanding of image compression and forward momentum.

Anyway, some poking around on YouTube and Google Video found me some CTs whose narration style undercuts his presentation even more than, like, I mean, hey man, Dylan's does. Check out this guy's "angry drunk muttering on a streetcorner" sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40m3p8z-IJw

Hmmm, Free Press International, where have we heard of them before? Oh, yeah, they had the blog that Dylan focused in on while claiming he was showing us a Newsweek story.
 
I hadn't thought of that this way. It's an interesting take. But the problem with that I think is it implies that America should stop building huge skyscrapers. And what kind of message would that leave for the terrorists? That they've wone? No, I think Freedom Tower is a powerful message.
I think the message would be that we've decided to build safer, more practical buildings. The terrorists can take it any way they like.
 
Some might find this interesting:
NoConcreteCore.741.com

I posted it the other thread christophera haunts, but figured i'd get it here too, just to annoy him some more.

Looking good so far. I remember spending pages and pages trying to figure out exactly what was bothering Christophera so much about the steel core columns he keeps referring to as "interior box columns" and not true core columns. Finally when he started using the word "continuous" a lot, I got the idea that he thinks a properly designed skyscraper core must be "continuous" in nature... whatever that means. Apparently in his mind, it's conceptually easy to build a "continuous" concrete core, since you can just keep pouring and it hardens into one mass of concrete, whereas the pictures of steel columns people keep posting are not "continuous" because they are not welded together well enough to meet Christophera's exacting standards.

Among other things, I think this could reflect a failure to understand the scale of the WTC. If Christophera indeed has any experience on putting up buildings, I'd be surprised if they were much taller than a suburban Pizza Hut or elementary school.
 
You have got to love this press release on the recent 9/11 conference. Especially this part praising Alex Jones. What a stud!

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-23-2006/0004386319&EDATE=



Then when you scroll all the way down to the bottom and you notice:

SOURCE Alex Jones

I watched about 20 minutes of Jones' video the other day. It's basically about how governments will create pretexts for war and repression--Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin, etc. It's like the Truthers realize this part of the conspiracy needs a little propping up so they make a little video for it.
 
Finally when he started using the word "continuous" a lot, I got the idea that he thinks a properly designed skyscraper core must be "continuous" in nature... whatever that means.

Yeah, I don't get what he means by continuous either. I'm not sure if thinks load bearing columns have to be made in one piece or what. That's not even possible for short buildings. I've never seen a 10 story piece of steel trucking around town. but i've seen lots of 1 story ones with bolt holes in them to make them continuous.
 
Yeah, I don't get what he means by continuous either. I'm not sure if thinks load bearing columns have to be made in one piece or what. That's not even possible for short buildings. I've never seen a 10 story piece of steel trucking around town. but i've seen lots of 1 story ones with bolt holes in them to make them continuous.

In a couple of his posts he says something about how they should be "100% butt welded" instead of bolted together -- I think that's what he means, but I'm not sure. He rambles so much, it's almost as bad as Sentinal, albeit with less whitespace. The opposite of those two would be SBrown and his one-word replies to lengthy posts.
 
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