Loose Change - Part III

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T.A.M. said:
I am now dowloading the flight info data for all flights including passenger lists for all 4 flights...good evidence against "No hijackers on manifests" arguement.
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Mike at 911myths.com (MikeW here) obtained these a while ago and put them up on his site. He also typed out the lists and linked to bios of the people on them: a big job that he should be applauded for.

It was good ammunition against the deniers at Ground Zero who tell the public that the hijackers weren't on the lists. Also, the Boston Globe printed the full lists of flight 11 and 175 pax on Sept. 14, 2001, though not reproductions of the lists themselves, so it's not as if this material just popped up "mysteriously" five years later.
 
gumboot said:
It should also be pointed out that the actual Pentagon would be much easier to find than the pentagon in the flight sim - from what I could see the Flight Sim Pentagon blended into the randomly generated landscape quite badly, and also appeared smaller (relative to surrounding structures).
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Agreed. The human eye (okay, we sometimes need corrective optics) is much much much sharper than any home flight sim or CT video. One of the most amusing CT claims to me is that hitting the Twin Towers is like finding a needle in a haystack. No, it's like finding two of the tallest buildings in the world at the intersection of the Hudson River and Atlantic Ocean in weather pilots call "severe clear."

One thing I've never seen is the altitude of flight 77 when it began its 270-degree turn. It was at 7,000 feet when 38 miles out, and came out of the turn descending through 2,200, but where did it start the turn?

Wait, I forgot: I'm not a CT and I don't care about such unimportant minutiae.
 
I am assuming that the documents at the Trial would be different then the partial lists Mike got from McDermott, and hence would add to the weight of the argument, but you are right, it took a lot of work to get them, and the Globes seating arrangement. Would be nice to see if the globe had a hard copy of the list they got for flight 11
 
Gravy said:
Yes, that was released with the last Moussaoui batch, and I think it was on the net before that. A lot of new stuff in this batch from what I can see, but it may be a day or two before the servers calm down. Downloads keep stalling.
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May I suggest breaking up the task? I'll do n-r for now, we can subdivide later.

There is an advantage in numbers. I'd suggest descriptions for every file, even those that appear worthless.
 
MarkyX said:
We should start a Paltalk chat.
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In the 911 room and they are pointing fingers at who is a shill andwho is'nt. Same old *****.

If people come to this room to laugh at them then you are stoopid.

The Shills are Stoopid,
 
Just finished going through the trial flash presentation of the flights, passengers, seating plans.

Very cool. All hijackers are listed, with ALL OF THEIR SEATING ASSIGNMENTS.

Only disappointing thing is no audio of phone calls. Does have audio of the hijackers P.A. commands. Very interesting.
 
SRW said:
In the 911 room and they are pointing fingers at who is a shill andwho is'nt. Same old *****.

If people come to this room to laugh at them then you are stoopid.

The Shills are Stoopid,
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No Dinosaurs and the flood is true, (the jooose did it),
 
Seating Plan of Hijackers - 9/11

AA Flight 11:

Seat # Hijacker
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2A Wail Alshehri
2B Waleed Alshehri
8D Mohamed Atta
8G Abdul Omari
10B Satarn Al Suqami


UA Flight 175:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
2A Fayez Ahmed
2B Mohand Alshehri
6C Marwan Alshehri
9C Hamzi Alghamdi
9D Ahmed Alghamdi

AA Flight 77:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
1B Hani Hanjour
5E Nawaf Alhazmi
5F Salem Alhazmi
12A Majed Moqed
12B Khalid Almihdhar

UA Flight 93:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
1B Ziad Jarrah
3C Ahmed Alnami
3D Saeed Alghamdi
6B Ahmed Alhaznawi
 
MarkyX said:
Not sure if this is viable evidence, but..

Microsoft Flight Simulator - Pentagon Crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWSc5V_Bwh8

...Hani was one crazy pilot if this simulator is accurate.
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Did you notice the Moussaoui exhibits?

OK01095 Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 CD case (X03-17318)
OK01101 Empty Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 Professional Box
OK01102 One grey & black Logitech wingman extreme joystick with USB adapter
 
Interesting that they also list in most cases where the phone calls originated, and I would assume they knew this because an airfone was used.

ie

Linda Gronlund placed a call at 9:46:05 That lasted 71 seconds to Elsa Strong. Though she was assigned Seat 2A, teh Call was placed from Row 26DEF (I assume you can identify the row where the airfone is located remotely)
 
T.A.M. said:
AA Flight 11:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
2A Wail Alshehri
2B Waleed Alshehri
8D Mohamed Atta
8G Abdul Omari
10B Satarn Al Suqami


UA Flight 175:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
2A Fayez Ahmed
2B Mohand Alshehri
6C Marwan Alshehri
9C Hamzi Alghamdi
9D Ahmed Alghamdi

AA Flight 77:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
1B Hani Hanjour
5E Nawaf Alhazmi
5F Salem Alhazmi
12A Majed Moqed
12B Khalid Almihdhar

UA Flight 93:

Seat # Hijacker
------- -------
1B Ziad Jarrah
3C Ahmed Alnami
3D Saeed Alghamdi
6B Ahmed Alhaznawi
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NO!!!!! THEY WEREN'T ON THE FLIGHT MANIFESTS, JIM FETZER SAYS THEY WEREN'T!!!!
 
JamesB said:
Did you notice the Moussaoui exhibits?

OK01095 Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 CD case (X03-17318)
OK01101 Empty Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 Professional Box
OK01102 One grey & black Logitech wingman extreme joystick with USB adapter
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That is a quality joystick, he certainly knows his gaming paraphenalia.
 
Of course, Fetzer will say they just made the numbers up, as the flash animation isnt the official passenger manifest.
 
So the conclusion I am coming to is that the vast majority of calls were made from airfones, simply because they identidy where the calls came from, by seating row, even when the seating assignment for the caller was different.

(Caller X was assigned seat 4A, but made call from Seating Row 26DEF)

How else could they id where the call came from.

This bodes well for minimizing the CT stand that the calls couldnt have been made from the planes at high speeds from high altitudes.
 
Damn, this shows the location of where every body (or body part) were found. If you click on each link it brings up the photo of the victim. Notice that some of the bodies were unidentified by DNA, but identified genetically as brothers. Hmm, I wonder why brothers with no DNA on file were working at the Pentagon? /end sarcasm

The no planers can take this and shove it up their #@%

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200318.html
 
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So I am reading the Stipulation agreed upon by defense and Procecution.

In it, it give a point by point timeline of events. Each time a phone call is mentioned it is stated as either an "Air Phone" "Air-telephone" or as a call from a "phone in row X". so it seems to me that almost all the calls were made from airfones.
 
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