Loose Change - Part III

[WildCat]

As someone who is a citizen of the USA and a serial voter to boot, the idea that JDX votes scares the bejabbers out of me.

The thought that someone who has so little grasp of reasoning based on evidence and such a tendency to cling to a conclusion irrespective of evidence could wind up serving on a jury is also rather unsettling.

The OJ jury is Exhibit A.

 

[Cylinder]

Do I really need to point out why I call them 9/11 Deniers now instead of "Truth" movement?

Probably the same reason I refer to their ideas as conspiracy hypotheses instead of conspiracy theories.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Oh, and I am not american either, but your northern brothers lost people in 9/11 as well, and we are over in Afghanistan fighting along side you...

Twenty five Canadians in fact. Including a former player for the Edmonton Oilers who mentored a young Wayne Gretzky. I'm from Edmonton, that's a big deal for us.

And yes, Canadians are serving quite honorably alongside thier American brothers in Afghanistan. Including the legendary Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Patricia's_Canadian_Light_Infantry#Afghanistan

 

[MarkyX]

Princess Patricias are freaking amazing.

Sorry to bug again, but anyone know where I can get a good list of videos involving house fires or office fires with explosions in them?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The OJ jury is Exhibit A.

Actually, I reluctantly agree with the oft-maligned OJ verdict. My sticking point was hearing Mark Furhman using "n_gger" every third word on that tape and then taking the fifth when he was called back to the stand and asked "Have you tampered with or planted evidence in this particular case?".

Regardless of the specific case used to illustrate your point, it does remain valid in a general sense. There are alot of stupid people in votings and jury boxes out there.

 

[Pardalis]

Sorry to bug again, but anyone know where I can get a good list of videos involving house fires or office fires with explosions in them?

How about "Die Hard"?

Just kidding

 

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by JohndoeX :

I dont threaten anyone till they threaten me first... and/or tell me how i should think

 

[T.A.M.]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7440129306993364432&q=loose+change

Everytime I see this clip it angers me to the extreme. However, I watch it to renew my committment to let people know what these guys are really about.

 

[T.A.M.]

I would love to spend 15 minutes taking that little Bermas F^&Ker down a few dozen pegs.

How godamn arrogant can you get to stand and even whisper a word to a man who fought the fires on 9/11 and watched 400 of his friends and collegues perish, at the 9/11 site, on 9/11.

 

[Pardalis]

BTW T.A.M., nice Hardfire videos, you posted earlier. That Ronald Wieck fellow is interesting, and he's exactly how skeptics should handle the CTers, calmly and straight to the facts (I'm having a hard time doing that, I tend to get emotional very quickly with these nuts).

His tone of voice reminds me of David Lynch!

 

[T.A.M.]

He is very good. I would love to get the guys here to give him all the facts, to really fill him full of th einfo.

As for the vids, I gotta pass your thanks on to the Screw Loose Change guys, as they put me on to the first one, and from their I just watched everything they had on the topic with Weick in it.

 

[SRW]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7440129306993364432&q=loose+change

Everytime I see this clip it angers me to the extreme. However, I watch it to renew my committment to let people know what these guys are really about.

I went to Ground Zero last summer to find the name of my friend. Everyone there was quite and respectful. After watching this I just went from pissed to outraged, pissed and motivated to do something about these scum bags.

 

[JamesB]

The "Scholars" conference is on CSPAN now, if you can stand watching these idiots.

 

[SRW]

Regardless of the specific case used to illustrate your point, it does remain valid in a general sense. There are alot of stupid people in votings and jury boxes out there.

I was on a Jury, where we were deadlocked because one guy was convinced that a minister would never preform oral sex on a girl. He was OK with him raping her, forcing her to perform oral sex on him but could not believe the man would preform oral sex on a minor. Luckily we had three other counts to convict him on but despite overwhelming evidence it was like he put his fingers in his ears and went lalalalalala.

You guys who are on the front lines of this have my gratitude, sympathy and respect.

 

[Gravy]

I would love to spend 15 minutes taking that little Bermas F^&Ker down a few dozen pegs.

How godamn arrogant can you get to stand and even whisper a word to a man who fought the fires on 9/11 and watched 400 of his friends and collegues perish, at the 9/11 site, on 9/11.

Just a clarification. The fireman, Paul Isaac Jr., is with the FDNY Auxiliary, which is a volunteer organization. I believe Paul does communications work. I don't know if that's a regular gig or if these volunteers are called on when needed. Paul checks in here now and then as "Sentinel," so maybe he can tell us more about the role of the FDNY Auxiliary. He does a good job of expressing his outrage at the idea of protesting at Ground Zero on 9/11. He has some notions that the government may have been involved in 9/11, but it's been impossible to get a coherent post about that from him here.

A funny FDNY story: Today at Ground Zero a fire truck was going by and it slowed down so its men could yell at the Troofers:
"Get outta here, you effin' a-holes!'
"Shut the hell up, you idiots!"

Well, Abby didn't want to be mistaken for a Troofer, so she jumped up and down and yelled, "I'm not with them!" She took a few steps in their direction, and I thought she was going to run after them, but that may be the reaction she has to firemen in general.

On my way home, my local guys at Squad 1 were at a call near my house. Twelve names on the side of that truck. Goddamnit.

Four of the Troofers said the FDNY were in on the "inside job."

Two troofers said the hijackers were also victims, just like the passengers and crew.


ETA: Door from Squad 1 in the Smithsonian Museum of American History,
and their new truck, today. Go get 'em, Abby!

 

[Abbyas]

Well, Abby didn't want to be mistaken for a Troofer, so she jumped up and down and yelled, "I'm not with them!" She took a few steps in their direction, and I thought she was going to run after them, but that may be the reaction she has to firemen in general.

Yes, it's hard to say, "I think it's terrible that they accuse you of being complicit and I'm here to fight for you guys too and I like your calendar and do you want children??!!!" very quickly.

After a couple of steps, I thought, "what in the hey am I doing."

 

[T.A.M.]

Thanks for the clarification.

I am still sure he did his part on 9/11, unlike those F&*king creeps. To here Bermas go on and on, as ignorant as hell. I am sorry, but I just wish I had 15 minutes to tell him what I really think.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Yes, it's hard to say, "I think it's terrible that they accuse you of being complicit and I'm here to fight for you guys too and I like your calendar and do you want children??!!!" very quickly...

Must. Become. Fireman.

 

[R.Mackey]

Paul checks in here now and then as "Sentinel," so maybe he can tell us more about the role of the FDNY Auxiliary. He does a good job of expressing his outrage at the idea of protesting at Ground Zero on 9/11. He has some notions that the government may have been involved in 9/11, but it's been impossible to get a coherent post about that from him here.

Yeah, Sentinel is a piece of work. Haven't seen him for a while. Somehow he wound up convinced that I was an undercover cop, and claimed I once accidentally shot a partner in the back... I can only hope he's receiving the care he needs.

Very odd experience for me, I know another guy who goes by Sentinel, big in the world of scenario paintball. He's about the polar opposite of the slightly nuts, 9/11 conspiracy Sentinel.

The internet requires an agile mind.

 

[JamesB]

Just a clarification. The fireman, Paul Isaac Jr., is with the FDNY Auxiliary, which is a volunteer organization. I believe Paul does communications work. I don't know if that's a regular gig or if these volunteers are called on when needed. Paul checks in here now and then as "Sentinel," so maybe he can tell us more about the role of the FDNY Auxiliary. He does a good job of expressing his outrage at the idea of protesting at Ground Zero on 9/11. He has some notions that the government may have been involved in 9/11, but it's been impossible to get a coherent post about that from him here.

A funny FDNY story: Today at Ground Zero a fire truck was going by and it slowed down so its men could yell at the Troofers:
"Get outta here, you effin' a-holes!'
"Shut the hell up, you idiots!"

Well, Abby didn't want to be mistaken for a Troofer, so she jumped up and down and yelled, "I'm not with them!" She took a few steps in their direction, and I thought she was going to run after them, but that may be the reaction she has to firemen in general.

On my way home, my local guys at Squad 1 were at a call near my house. Twelve names on the side of that truck. Goddamnit.

Four of the Troofers said the FDNY were in on the "inside job."

Two troofers said the hijackers were also victims, just like the passengers and crew.

Is Abby hitting on the firemen again?