Loose Change - Part III

[Gravy]

Thanks for the clarification.

I am still sure he did his part on 9/11, unlike those F&*king creeps. To here Bermas go on and on, as ignorant as hell. I am sorry, but I just wish I had 15 minutes to tell him what I really think.

Understandable, but unlikely to have any effect on him. However, showing others what Bermas thinks can be very persuasive.

 

[Gravy]

Yeah, Sentinel is a piece of work. Haven't seen him for a while. Somehow he wound up convinced that I was an undercover cop, and claimed I once accidentally shot a partner in the back... I can only hope he's receiving the care he needs.

Very odd experience for me, I know another guy who goes by Sentinel, big in the world of scenario paintball. He's about the polar opposite of the slightly nuts, 9/11 conspiracy Sentinel.

Did you ever shoot a partner in the back in scenario paintball? And did the scenario involve being dressed as Frank Serpico?

 

[Gravy]

Is Abby hitting on the firemen again?

It was a heart-wrenching scene there, seeing her torn between her sense of duty to the truth and her love for sweaty turnout gear.

 

[JamesB]

ROTFLMAO I am watching CSPAN, Alex Jones is claiming we had 44,000 US troops in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan before 9/11 in order to invade Afghanistan. That is equal to nearly 3 divisions, out of the 11 on active duty. Amazing nobody noticed. Why is it then when we invaded Afghanistan we only used a small amount of Special Forces, and even then it took over a month before they began?

 

[R.Mackey]

Did you ever shoot a partner in the back in scenario paintball? And did the scenario involve being dressed as Frank Serpico?

hahaha, no... Shooting in the back and betrayal is a regular staple, but we've never done a Serpico scenario. More like Pancho Villa (see avatar), Roscoe P. Coltrane, Wile E. Coyote, that kind of thing. Though once I played JFK (and was assassinated).

I've only played east of the Mississippi once, and that was in Pennsylvania. Sorry, it was a good theory.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Chicken Coop Arsonist has accidentally said too much:

Why It Is So Critical To Understand That No Planes Were Used in the WTC Attacks:
because it completely reframes the argument for why the WTC twin towers collapsed.

No planes-- no plane damage, no jet fuel fires-- no possible explanation for why the towers collapsed except for demolition.

Translation: "The planes must not have existed because the evidence for impact/heat warped steel is too strong."

A revealing admission from the no-plane crowd.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

You can see more of his video games = real life nonsense in the posts just below the main one.

 

[Doubt]

ROTFLMAO I am watching CSPAN, Alex Jones is claiming we had 44,000 US troops in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan before 9/11 in order to invade Afghanistan. That is equal to nearly 3 divisions, out of the 11 on active duty. Amazing nobody noticed. Why is it then when we invaded Afghanistan we only used a small amount of Special Forces, and even then it took over a month before they began?

Kind of the flip side of the myths from the 90's. Some people thought that Clinton was going to hand over power to the UN. There were supposed to be foreign troops massing in the Mojave desert to enforce martial law. That was a big rumor from the militia nitwits. I wonder how many of them are now “truthers”.

 

[steve s]

A revealing admission from the no-plane crowd.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

You can see more of his video games = real life nonsense in the posts just below the main one.

That's amazing. He's using Microsoft Flight Simulator to prove that the planes didn't hit the WTC. And we all know MFS is accurate down to nearest inch.

Steve S.

 

[Brainster]

Did Anybody Catch Jones' Admission?

I have to admit, I have not been following Jones' stuff too much because I lack the technical knowledge to refute him (I assume). But I was shocked when he talked about where he got his sample of WTC steel--something about a memorial and there was some dirt so this woman scooped up the dirt and had it for years until she heard about his paper.

Uh, did these folks ever hear of the concept of "chain of custody"? And I wonder if the woman's name was Lucy Ramirez?

 

[Brainster]

Chicken Coop Arsonist has accidentally said too much:

Translation: "The planes must not have existed because the evidence for impact/heat warped steel is too strong."

A revealing admission from the no-plane crowd.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

You can see more of his video games = real life nonsense in the posts just below the main one.

He's impossible to parodize. I was thinking of doing a post on how you can't fly planes into buildings in Flight Unlimited 2--that they do indeed just crumble against the outside and then the plane falls to the ground. But he's already topped that.

 

[kevin]

As someone who is a citizen of the USA and a serial voter to boot, the idea that JDX votes scares the bejabbers out of me.

I bet he doesn't vote.

 

[WildCat]

I bet he doesn't vote.

Of course not. Any CT'er will tell you it's all fixed anyway.

 

[JamesB]

I have to admit, I have not been following Jones' stuff too much because I lack the technical knowledge to refute him (I assume). But I was shocked when he talked about where he got his sample of WTC steel--something about a memorial and there was some dirt so this woman scooped up the dirt and had it for years until she heard about his paper.

Uh, did these folks ever hear of the concept of "chain of custody"? And I wonder if the woman's name was Lucy Ramirez?

He gets pretty wacky. Fetzer loses it at the end of the first hour. I tivoed it and am burning it to a DVD. I don't have any video editing software though, so I will have to see if I can get it into a useful format.

I was also amused to hear how the Dean of the Defense Language School [sic] said that they were training the hijackers there in covert operations. DLI is a language school, not an espionage school. For God's sake, it is in the title. What, were they teaching Mohammed Atta Korean or something?

 

[T.A.M.]

If what the CTers say is true, and that the elite few have ruled the world and made us bend to their whims since the dark ages, then whats the big deal...let them...Seems to me, if it has always been this way, who am i to stop it...lol

 

[MarkyX]

Off-topic but somewhat related.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&hl=en

Another documentary about Islamic terrorism. Remember, Dylan Avery says they don't exist

 

[Gravy]

I have to admit, I have not been following Jones' stuff too much because I lack the technical knowledge to refute him (I assume).

I doubt if you lack the technical knowledge. Steven Jones uses very little technical information in his 9/11 work. His technique is to overwhelm with as many logical fallacies as he can fit on a page. He's the master at jumping to conclusions: the opposite of the scientific method. I have a couple of partly-finished projects about him, but I find it hard to get motivated to finish them. It IS a lot of work, because he writes a lot and gets so much wrong and uses such poor methodology.

edit: spelling

 

[SRW]

He gets pretty wacky. Fetzer loses it at the end of the first hour. I tivoed it and am burning it to a DVD. I don't have any video editing software though, so I will have to see if I can get it into a useful format.

I was also amused to hear how the Dean of the Defense Language School [sic] said that they were training the hijackers there in covert operations. DLI is a language school, not an espionage school. For God's sake, it is in the title. What, were they teaching Mohammed Atta Korean or something?

I am going to try the Sonic software
http://estore.sonic.com/upgrades/tivo/mydvd61_special.asp?o_src=&lang=enu&rd=21549&MailID=mydvd6tivo01150503&MID=
If anyone knows a better (free) solution I would like to hear it.

 

[JamesB]

I doubt if you lack the technical knowledge. Steven Jones uses very little technical information in his 9/11 work. His technique is to overwhelm with as many logical fallacies as he can fit on a page. He's the master at jumping to conclusions: the opposite of the scientific method. I have a couple of partly-finished projects about him, but I find it hard to get motivated to finish them. It IS a lot of work, because he writes a lot and gets so much wrong and uses such poor methodology.

edit: spelling

I e-mailed Jones regarding his changing the PNAC quote, and some other related stuff. He actually corrected some of it in his 170+ page Powerpoint. Never even bothered to reply to my e-mail though. I suppose I shouldn't help him out by factchecking his work, since apparently he never does.

 

[kevin]

I am going to try the Sonic software
http://estore.sonic.com/upgrades/tivo/mydvd61_special.asp?o_src=&lang=enu&rd=21549&MailID=mydvd6tivo01150503&MID=
If anyone knows a better (free) solution I would like to hear it.

Avid offers a free edition for both mac and windows platforms.

http://www.avid.com/freedv/

I will warn you this is based on the professional Avid tool and can be very confusing. Might take longer than you like to learn.

To edit Tivo movies you need to strip the DRM first and take them back to MPEG2 movies, which you can do with directshow dump.

http://prish.com/etivo/tbr.htm

If you get me a mpg file I can convert into just about anything else.

ETA: actually I think I can convert just about anything to anything. If you get a VOB from your DVD I can probably convert it to something else.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He's impossible to parodize. I was thinking of doing a post on how you can't fly planes into buildings in Flight Unlimited 2--that they do indeed just crumble against the outside and then the plane falls to the ground. But he's already topped that.

Post your parodies to his blog under a sock puppet. See how long you can keep him going. Bonus points if you can get him to take your arguments as his own or if he follows absurd leads that you plant.