Loose Change - Part III

[Shrinker]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

That's brilliant! JDX's stormy exits are hilarious. And the bit where he admits he uses drugs and gets dobbed in to the FAA is just surreal.

 

[karim]

Okay, another request again.

I'm still looking for key members of the 9/11 Deniers (like Alex Jones) who said outlandish stuff in interviews.

You can get lot of AJ appearances and other speechess and interviews in decent resolution from the Conspiracy Central tracker.

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/

 

[Brainster]

Great Interview by Ronald Wieck

Not sure if anybody's posted this, but I wanted to make sure it got highlighted. Ronald Wieck, a Libertarian talk show host, grills Les Jamison of the New York 9-11 Deniers. He makes extensive use of 9-11 Myths and also cites our own Mark (Gravy) Roberts.

Part I (occasional sound problems)
Part II

This shows how a well-prepared host, using excellent sources, can demolish a 9-11 Denier. Over at 9-11 Blogger, there's some bluster in the comments, but mostly acknowledgement that Wieck crushed Jamison. There's the usual "Where is our great spokesman?" question, answered by several with Kevin Barrett.

Kudos to Gravy and Mike and Wieck.

 

[T.A.M.]

kevin Barrett...now I am laughing.

If he is gonna be their great spokesman, than the debunkers have already won. All he can do is yell and scream and call people names.

 

[Pardalis]

People like CLE have a right to be the way they are...curious, unconvinced, skeptical of what they've been told. We are this way as well.

It is not people like her that worry me, as she seems to be, for the most part, an actual "Truth" seeker. I hope she is as open to our evidence, which 99% of the time is much more solid, than that of the CTers, as she is to theirs.

The people that worry me, the people that I come here to debate with and argue with are people like Killtown, and Dylan, and that lot. People who are not truth seekers, but rather "Truth" fabricators. They seek to find little incoherencies in the 9/11 story, which are easy to find, as they are in any major event of such scope, and to then weave a tapestry of deceit and coverup from those little bits.

Now, 20 years ago I wouldn't have paid them much attention, as they had no real vehicle for their crap. With the Internet, however, the whole thing changes. Now they have a massive vehicle, full of young, naive, susceptable minds, to grind their crap into. Now I must take up the call, like so many others have, to make sure that those out their who might listen to them, also have to opportunity to study the REAL evidence, and make up their own minds.

(comes down off soap box and smiles)

Excellent post.

What really bothers me is the extend of how these CT nuts have polluted the internet. It's impossible these days to make a search on Google for information about 9/11 without getting countless conspiracy sites. In comparison, there are very few sites about the real story. These CT sites have multiplied like rabbits. They link to eatch other and have become themselves a web, a barrier to the real information. It's even worse when you want to search video from 9/11.

What worries me, as you said TAM, is that the young people who don't necesserally know how to do proper research and analysis, who take the internet as their sole source of information, will only get the misinfo these CT sites spout. What kind of generation will that create? They are teaching the youth to think the US government is a criminal entity, a mass murdering organistion. Kids will get accustomed to such ideas, as they usually do. Now what kind of adults will thake make? How will they be able to vote properly, to appreciate good research and develop skeptical thinking skills? How will they differenciate bad from good information?

 

[Pardalis]

BTW, excellent investigation Shrinker!

 

[Pardalis]

I think LC and others like it must be an ingenious ploy to prevent people like us finding the truth.

Here's my logic...

Most of their facts take about 30 seconds with google to uncover as wrong. However not all.

Certain phrases, when put in google, just bring up an impenetrable wall of CT sites. Only the stout of heart and mind can wade through the pages of schlock in the hope of finding something useful.

As time progresses, these sites multiply. Soon it will take days to wade through the murk. Type in "NORAD 9/11" and CT pages will fill your vision, yea, even unto the very horizon, and the bright sun that rises beyond.

I see how clear their plan is. One day there will be so many CT sites, there won't be ROOM for the truth. Sites of fact will start being forced out, for want of space.

They're trying to fill up the internet!

-Andrew

Exactly, that's exactly what I thought. You beat me to it!

 

[dubfan]

This shows how a well-prepared host, using excellent sources, can demolish a 9-11 Denier.

Memo to Sean Hannity.

 

[Joytown]

I wonder, is johndoex naturally an ass, or does he stay up late at night practicing?

My favorite part is this:

JDX shows up in the pilot's forum accusing Bill(18wheeler) of being a poser, and guess what - Billzilla's already there!

pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2746202&posted=1#post2746202

To top it off:

Note join date and number of posts:

18-Wheeler (Billzilla)
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Gold Coast
Age: 41
Posts: 981

AluminumDrvr (JohnDoeX)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: different city each week
Posts: 19

(and most the posts are in this thread: pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235685&page=2)

Been fun to watch. I need to get my "pilot" type questions up over there before they chase off an actual pilot!

-joytown

 

[Pardalis]

Well, after excellent research, I rest my case.

All you seem to do is pop up every now and then and drop a link into the thread, accompanied by vague innuendo. When questioned on it, you declare blind ignorance.

So we run off, do some research, and find your "evidence" to be about as solid as a wet paper bag.

It took me all of five minutes to discover why Halliburton got the Iraq contracts, that they were won in an open bid, and that they made very little money off them.

I don't think I've ever seen you present a single scrap of "evidence" that wasn't founding to be insubstantional within a page or two of the thread.

To give Childlike some credit, here's the thread where she explains some of her doubts about 9/11:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58359

 

[Regnad Kcin]

...Basically what im saying is... they [Australians] can sit here and tell us all they want how they feel the US Govt theory is accurate. But bottom line is, their words mean nothing. The only foreigners that have a valid point are those ready to take up arms to help Americans take back their country.

, he bravely proclaimed from the daring, front-line position of his computer keyboard.

Will Obviousman and Bill [Billzilla, the Aussie pilot] come over here, armed, fighting for the neo-cons if there is a second American Revolution? Hells no... they will cower in their respective lands trying to post on the internet how wrong it is for Americans to be Patriots. I bet these men dont even know what it means to be a patriot.

Yawn.

How about .... no. I'll do as I damnwell please actually.

You can do as you damn well please.. .but if you come to my land trying to push your rhetoric on me... or even try to force your rhetoric on me, i'll be extremely proud to introduce you to the Second Amendment.

Ooo, he's so manly!

 

[WildCat]

, he bravely proclaimed from the daring, front-line position of his computer keyboard.

Yawn.

Ooo, he's so manly!

I'm beginning to think that JDX isn't working as a pilot any more because he went completely insane.

 

[Shrinker]

I'm beginning to think that JDX isn't working as a pilot any more because he went completely insane.

Maybe...

 

[Belz...]

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I've got a question for you, Empress:

If that small elite group out to conquer the world has been at this for decades, if not centuries, with the alleged ressources and efficiency, why haven't they succeded yet ?

I'll be holding my breath.

 

[Belz...]

The reason why i "mirrored" shrinkers pic is because i am beginning to lose respect for you. You (some of you) use the same tactics you accuse the "Truth Movement" of.

Words, and words. Got any actual point you'd like to discuss about 9/11 ? Something that hasn't been debunked yet ?

Arkan Wolfshade's thread on how "neo-nazis drive the truth movement"? Hm? Laughable.

I don't suppose the nazis DO drive the "truth" movement. However, the association is not only unfortunate, but alarming.

Oh my. You really don't get it. What would you think if - lets say - Alex Jones, Dylan Avery and Ray McGovern get killed? That's not the way control works these days.

Convenient. When people die, they were silenced. When they don't, there's another explanation. Something and it's opposite can't both support the same theory, Childlike.

 

[Belz...]

Come on. They jump on every single bit of information that contradicts the alternative "CT". They google, mail, phone, what have you. Research. In this case there was SILENCE. Isn't it interesting what led Mr. Torero to do this statements?

So... is response to nonsense good or bad ? You people usually say "see: those skeptikz are all up in arms about this new heavy-dense of ours. They're so riled up by it, there must be somethin' to it!". And now you say: "see: those skeptikz completely ignore this new heavy-dense of ours. If they hush up so much, there must be somethin' to it!"

Something and its opposite can't both support the same theory, Childlike.

 

[Stellafane]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

I just read the whole exchange -- loved it! Although if this was thermonuclear war, it was pretty unilateral, with billzilla dropping nuke after nuke, and jdx basically just farting in his general direction in response. I'm surprised the LC forum mods didn't ban billzilla though, since it must have been obvious even to them that their hometown boy jdx was getting vaporized into his constituent elements.

In the end, I get the impression jdx has to keep going at it, no matter how utterly ridiculous he looks, because this is his entire life -- the LC forum might be the only place in the whole world where he's not perceived as a hopeless loser.

 

[T.A.M.]

Guys;

I need audio files of the following deniers:

(1) Fetzer (2) A. Jones (3) Jimmy Walter (4) Morgan reynolds (5) Dylan Avery (6) Korey Rowe (7) David Griffin

I am looking for audio files with them making comments on (1) victims of flight 93, (2) the FAKE phone calls, (3) Betty Ong and Others aboard the flights.

Some will be difficult, I know, AS I have already searched.

 

[Belz...]

May I be offended that there are no ladies in the ninja pic?

I never get invited to the good parties.

That can be arranged. NYC isn't too far from Québec!

 

[Belz...]

Pardalis, why do you allways ask others to think for you? I have no proof. How could i? I told you that i am no american, even not on the american continent. I have no coherent story to tell, Pardalis, but the official story is a joke for me. Ok?

@Pardalis: NO! I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ADDS UP TO! I am SEEKING the truth and don't claim that i know it. I agree with you all that the term "truth movement" is at least dubious. I think it is by design dubious. edit: I am not posting theories. You know that.

Excellent! I you're looking for the truth, then I suggest looking at the NIST and FEMA reports. Since you're so good at thinking for yourself, you'll need no link from me. I you HAVE read them yet, and you're so good at thinking for yourself, then NOW you may be able to formulate a theory and post it here, so we can actually debate it instead of trading insults.