Loose Change - Part III

[WildCat]

If you'd be so kind, explain to me, in plain english, devoid of links, why the official story is a joke to you.

Thank you in advance.

-Andrew

I've asked many a CT'er that question. Asked them to simply link to a single aspect of the NIST report, and give the page number so I know exactly what hey're talking about, and state theri objections.

None has ever done so.

I get the feeling that 99.9% of CT'ers have never even glanced at the executive summaries of any of the NIST reports, and are simply parroting something they heard or read. Some will link to the idiotic Jones or King papers, but none ever describe exactly what they find wrong in the NIST reports.

 

[karim]

As it's said on the Screw Loose Change blog someone needs to tell al-Zawahiri that al-Qaeda did not pull off 9-11. Chucksheen should give him a link to universalseed or something.

From his new speech:

About a year before the two raids of New York and Washington the leader Abu-Hafs (may Allah have mercy on he's soul), gave lecture to a group of trainees about Palestine and the Muslims conditions in Qandahar. At the end of the lecture the hero, Muhammad Attah (may Allah have mercy on he's soul) Stood up and asked the leader with seriousness and enthusiasm "What is the way to defeat the attack on Palestine?" and America knows very well the rest of the story. The Ummah that produced the nineteen who shook America is able with the assistance of Allah to produce double that number.

Abu-Hafs=Muhammad Atef


Fight the NewWorldOrder

 

[Brainster]

Well, well, would you look at this. Not only does he dismiss this current fuss, he also blows a hole in the 'no other building collapsed due to fire' story. See bolding at the bottom.

My email to J. Torero:


His response:

My followup:

J. Torero responds again:

PM me for the articles. All bolding mine.

What kind of truth-seeking is this? Contacting people in the real world is not allowed, unless you interview them on videotape and put it up on YouTube!

All kidding aside, great work!

 

[WildCat]

As it's said on the Screw Loose Change blog someone needs to tell al-Zawahiri that al-Qaeda did not pull off 9-11. Chucksheen should give him a link to universalseed or something.

From his new speech:


Abu-Hafs=Muhammad Atef


Fight the NewWorldOrder

Ha! They think that al-Zawahiri is a CIA fabrication. They use this get-out-jail-free card whenever al-Qaeda makes claims of committing the crimes of 9/11.

 

[WildCat]

What kind of truth-seeking is this? Contacting people in the real world is not allowed, unless you interview them on videotape and put it up on YouTube!

All kidding aside, great work!

No, you steal footage from other people's interviews, take their quotes out of context, and them put them on youtube.

That was great work Shrinker, amazing that the CT'ers can't seem to find any real info despite the 24/7 "research" they claim to be doing.

 

[gumboot]

That was great work Shrinker, amazing that the CT'ers can't seem to find any real info despite the 24/7 "research" they claim to be doing.

I think LC and others like it must be an ingenious ploy to prevent people like us finding the truth.

Here's my logic...

Most of their facts take about 30 seconds with google to uncover as wrong. However not all.

Certain phrases, when put in google, just bring up an impenetrable wall of CT sites. Only the stout of heart and mind can wade through the pages of schlock in the hope of finding something useful.

As time progresses, these sites multiply. Soon it will take days to wade through the murk. Type in "NORAD 9/11" and CT pages will fill your vision, yea, even unto the very horizon, and the bright sun that rises beyond.

I see how clear their plan is. One day there will be so many CT sites, there won't be ROOM for the truth. Sites of fact will start being forced out, for want of space.

They're trying to fill up the internet!

-Andrew

 

[dubfan]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Nick, please tell me your opinion on shrinkers pic. Is this really excellent? True? Or what.

What, this?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehost/361744caa8197a403.jpg[/qimg]

What about it do you object to?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

...I have no proof. How could i? I told you that i am no american, even not on the american continent. I have no coherent story to tell...but the official story is a joke for me. Ok?

Have you read the official story? I have a guess, but you go ahead first.

 

[WildCat]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

I was waiting for something like this!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Shrinker:

Very nice effort with Prof. J. Torero.

 

[gumboot]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

Wow... that's funny...

One thing, that really confuses me often. The turn AA77 makes before it hits the Pentagon. This seems important to the CTers. Phrases like "you think an inexperienced pilot made a 270 degree descending turn".

I just don't understand it. I mean... do they understand what a "270 degree turn" is? A super-tanker, with a turn radius of about 2 miles, can make a 360 degree turn. And if it can make a 360 degree turn, it can make a 720 degree turn by going around twice.

I just can't fathom why this is really so important. So he turned around. And? I mean, at least the "descending x many feet in x many minutes" is something to look into. You can do some research, and go, "wow, that's quite impressive" or "okay, that's pretty normal".

But, I mean, how much use would a vehicle of ANY sort be if it couldn't do a 360 degree turn? (And don't forget, if you can do 360 degrees, you can do any degree between 1 and, well, infinity really...).

"Now, this new Ford Mustang is a real beauty sir, great power, excellent traction. But I must warn you, it can only do up to 75 degree turns. So there's no going back! Haw haw haw."

I mean a TRAIN can't do a 270 degree turn, sure. They need those little roundabout thingies to turn em around. But can anyone else think of a single steerable vehicle that CANT do a 270 degree turn?

-Andrew

 

[MarkyX]

Okay, another request again.

I'm still looking for key members of the 9/11 Deniers (like Alex Jones) who said outlandish stuff in interviews.

But the new request I want to give is an article that refutes the myth of hijackers being alive still. Every single one of them. While 9/11 myths is great, I can't show images of 20 articles and images.

 

[Cylinder]

I'm still looking for key members of the 9/11 Deniers (like Alex Jones) who said outlandish stuff in interviews.

Actually, AJ will be hosting a panel tonight at 8PM EDT on C-SPAN:

September 11th Terrorist Attacks
Alex Jones Productions
Los Angeles, California (United States)
ID: 193155 - 06/25/2006 - 1:50 - $24.95

Jones, Alex Filmmaker
Fetzer, James H. Co-Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Bowman, Robert M. Member, Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Jones, Steven E. Co-Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Tarpley, Webster Griffin Author

Panelists discussed theories on alleged conspiracies regarding the origins of the attacks on September 11, 2001.

Mr. Tarpley is the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, published by Progressive Press.

The two-day event, “American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 and The Neo-Con Agenda,” was held in the ballroom of the Sheraton Los Angeles Downtown.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Thermonuclear war breaks out between JDX and an Australian 747 pilot

I wonder, is johndoex naturally an ass, or does he stay up late at night practicing?

 

[MikeW]

But the new request I want to give is an article that refutes the myth of hijackers being alive still. Every single one of them.

A video of the interview with Waleed and Wail Al-Shehri's brother would be good (see http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/msnbc082502.html for the transcript, search for "Saleh" to find where it begins in the document). Not much chance of finding it, though.

The most relevant single article is the one where the Saudi's admit that the named 15 of their citizens were actually involved:

Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

 

[MarkyX]

I'm talking more about disgracing the victims. I am not making this video to refute every little detail: 911myths.com already does that.

 

[MarkyX]

A video of the interview with Waleed and Wail Al-Shehri's brother would be good (see http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/msnbc082502.html for the transcript, search for "Saleh" to find where it begins in the document). Not much chance of finding it, though.

The most relevant single article is the one where the Saudi's admit that the named 15 of their citizens were actually involved:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

Yeah I know about that article, but not all of the hijackers were saudi. Example would be Atta, who was born in egypt and was in Hamburg, Germany before joining Al-Qaeda.

 

[Gravy]

Nice job, Shrinker.

 

[Palimpsest]

I wonder, is johndoex naturally an ass, or does he stay up late at night practicing?

I'd say both. A lot of natural talent is required, of course, but also constant rigorous practice.