Loose Change - Part III

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Pardalis said:
As a friendly advice, I wouldn't do anything that could offend any Muslims these days. :)
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Don't you find that a sign of something really wrong?

Compare this with me and Rikzillas exchange regarding my own religion. He said what was on his mind, I responded humorously and civilly, he laughed and no explosions resulted.

If an entire religion or culture is so chronically thin-skinned that you are afraid to say something that may annoy or offend around any of them, then I would suggest the problem is entirely thiers.
 
SezMe said:
Hmmm, you make a claim, I ask for some backing for that claim and your response is to ask me a question. Huh? :confused:

Your claim is important in this debate if it is true. So please provide some evidence for it. Thanks.
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Sorry my question was rhetorical.

This line of progression is heading into political territory, which I understand is a big no-no. Also my original statement is an exaggeration, to put it lightly.

I am happy to withdraw my previous statement. :)

-Andrew
 
MarkyX said:
What about The Usual Suspects? I got a few interesting Muslim emails on that one (even though I didn't make it!) saying that it's offensive or AQ weren't "real" muslims.
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If they find Jihadi videos offensive they should complain to those who make them.

Mayby they should also complain to al Jazeera too for they have also aired these wills.
 
SezMe said:
Do I understand your position correctly? The Middle East teeters on the brink of war. There is a religious fanatic in Iran funding terrorism throughout the region. Iraq is a mess. Afghanistan is slipping back into chaos. There are unsecured nuclear arms throughout the region with unprincipled fanatics anxious to get their hands on them.

And you want to poke the beehive "Just to see what happens"??????

This is a serious quesion: Are you serious?
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I don't have any specific desire. I just really don't care. The Middle East has teetered on the brink of war for the last three thousand years or so. They seem to like things that way. More power to them. Perhaps if we don't tiptoe around their religion like parents around a new-born baby they might actually grow up and stop behaving like children.

I'm tired of being told what is and isn't appropriate to say because a bunch of people on the other side of the world (a great deal of whom hate me on principal anyway) might get offended. I don't care if they get offended. That's their problem.

If they whip themselves into a frenzy and annihilate each other over some imagined offence, good riddance.

The ancestors of free western civilisation have not sacrificed their lives generation after generation to be told what they can and can't say.

I would think Americans would understand this better than anyone.

-Andrew

P.S. While we're on the topic of unsupported claims, most of the claims you made about the middle east are not supported by evidence.
 
karim said:
If they find Jihadi videos offensive they should complain to those who make them.

Mayby they should also complain to al Jazeera too for they have also aired these wills.
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Exactly. The main reasons why some of the Muslims were offended by the video, according to my emails, is it showed them in a negative light and that Muslims were a "religion of peace"

As for the video, I will post it because last night I showed it to an associate of mine and he was shocked that such an organization existed and even created the 'suicide bombing'. He is a muslim.

I have never even of the Brotherhood of Mulims either.

Thinking back, Loose Change did three claims about Osama Bin Laden tape being fake.

1) Blurry
2) Gold-plated ring
3) Writing with the right hand instead of left

First one we know is BS because if you watch the video that you can clearly see that it is him, just Loose Change doesn'ts how it. Gold-plated ring has been worn by other religious leader in the past, and the writing with right hand is NORMAL for a muslim.

Yet this is one of the main key "facts" of the Truth Movement. They are literally playing on the ignorance of the population and using that ignorance to go against the facts. Ignorance gained a following, just like astrology, psychics, and new-age churches...aren't we here to stop that?

I will post it today even if it might seem like bad timing, because people should have the opportunity to understand the situation in the Middle East more. And if there is one thing I learned throughout the 22 years I've been living in a western society, is you can't handle adult issues with kid gloves. Hell, I've been threatened already, might as well go all the way.
 
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MarkyX said:
First one we know is BS because if you watch the video that you can clearly see that it is him, just Loose Change doesn'ts how it.
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I'm not sure but the LC clips look like they have had a sharpen effect or something like that applied. In addition it looks like they have just stretched the image to fit the widescreen resolution thus further distorting the features.

But I guess it was all part of truth seeking.
 
I say post it, but that's just because I am really interested in seeing it. That, and I believe you live far enough away from me that if a group of angry muslims blow up your house I should be fine.
 
I think the whole subject of the reasons Muslims have to be mad at the West, whether they're justified, etc., is perfectly acceptable to debate on this board. However, not in this thread. Please start a new thread for that debate, and then add a link to it here for interested readers.
 
Greetings, fellow Joiseyan

njslim said:
Wow Kiwi! Looks like we are neighbors! What exit you at Bro'?

Really get torqued off by the idiots who spout off all the idiotic nonsense
like

United 175 (or no plane at all) hit South Tower (WTC2) - considering fact
that 50 coworkers on the upper floors of my building watched it smash
into the building (if you seen UNITED 93 the scene where air traffic controllers
at Newark watch the plane hit is dead accurate - we were at the BAYWAY
oil refinery in Linden, just south of Newark) My boss came down stairs
to tell us what happened - lot of my coworkers were (and still are) in shock
from what they saw.

Over at SCREW LOSE CHANGE forum have some whackjob - KILLTOWN is
handle who is going on about why tail of AA77 didn't leave mark on
Pentagon (jeez figure 100 foot hole blown in side would be enough!)

Also ranting that United 93 did not crash (if ever existed), but that hole was
dug and aircraft parts dumped in to make look like crash.

HAve fantasy of getting some of these clowns in room, tieing to chair and
saying "Now Repeat after me ....." while hitting upside of head with 2X4

But I digress.
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I'm from the fine City of Newark, where I write press releases for the Mayor, as I have done for the past eight years. I am part of Cory Booker's inheritance from Sharpe James. So I'm at Exit 15W. I would have used the Turnpike shield as my logo for that reason, but I stumbled on "Shield Up," which enables you to make the road highway sign of your choice. I went with US 22, which you probably know quite well, for the obvious reason. That and the fact that it's Roger Clemens' number (my favorite pitcher) and it's an avatar that kind of stands out.

Back to nutters...one of my pals is a US Attorney in the Appellate Division, based and living in Washington. His boss is the Solicitor General. His boss's wife died on Flight 77. Flight 77 happened as advertised at the time. Like the terrorists who parked their truck under the smoke ventilating vents in the World Trade Center in 1993, these guys were very lucky...or unlucky for humanity.
 
Yes, I'm part of the conspiracy

WildCat said:
Aha, a government shill!


;)
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The worst kind. Before that, I was Public Affairs Officer for the US Antarctic Program in Christchurch, New Zealand, explaining the US to 1.5 million New Zealanders.

When TWA Flight 800 crashed 10 years ago, I got heaps of calls and e-mails asking if the US Navy really did shoot down the plane. I said, "No, we only shoot down Iranian airliners by mistake, not our own."

It gets worse...I'm Jewish, and a third-degree Mason. The heart and soul of the grand conspiracy. So how come I don't have any money? :boggled:
 
Kiwiwriter said:
It gets worse...I'm Jewish, and a third-degree Mason. The heart and soul of the grand conspiracy. So how come I don't have any money? :boggled:
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Pffft - It's the Black Pope - but after 4 years of HS then 4 yrs of college with the Jesuits, you'd have thought they'd have clued me in so I could have manipulated the stock market.

And I bet you are a trusty Shellback too - haven't seen them accused.
 
Kiwiwriter said:
I'm from the fine City of Newark, where I write press releases for the Mayor, as I have done for the past eight years.
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kiwi, I'd like to recruit you to help with Gravy's next edition of the LC Viewer's Guide, if that would be OK with him.

Gravy has taken the initiative to put it together, is very tenacious, and has good research skills. But his current guide is not perfect - in my opinion, it's in dire need of the skills of a good editor. You, being the board's resident speech writer, seem like an ideal candidate for sanding off the rough edges. It would be great if you could contact Mark and offer your services.
 
CurtC said:
kiwi, I'd like to recruit you to help with Gravy's next edition of the LC Viewer's Guide, if that would be OK with him.

Gravy has taken the initiative to put it together, is very tenacious, and has good research skills. But his current guide is not perfect - in my opinion, it's in dire need of the skills of a good editor. You, being the board's resident speech writer, seem like an ideal candidate for sanding off the rough edges. It would be great if you could contact Mark and offer your services.
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It's good advice. There are lots of changes I'd like to make, but I've put off doing a new version for a month and a half now due to the copyright issues. We'll see what the edited version of LC brings.
 
Screw Loose Change on the Radio!

I'll be on Constitutional Public Radio with Andrea Shea-King and Mark Vance tomorrow afternoon at 4:05 Eastern time. CPR is broadcast on AM 1510 WWBC, Brevard County, Florida. For those not lucky enough to live on Florida's Space Coast, you can listen in over the internet.

We'll be discussing Loose Change and Screw Loose Change. I have been on with Andrea and Mark before and they always keep it interesting and lively, so be sure to listen in!

Thanks to my buddy Third Wave Dave for setting this up!
 
Brainster said:
I'll be on Constitutional Public Radio with Andrea Shea-King and Mark Vance tomorrow afternoon at 4:05 Eastern time. CPR is broadcast on AM 1510 WWBC, Brevard County, Florida. For those not lucky enough to live on Florida's Space Coast, you can listen in over the internet.

We'll be discussing Loose Change and Screw Loose Change. I have been on with Andrea and Mark before and they always keep it interesting and lively, so be sure to listen in!

Thanks to my buddy Third Wave Dave for setting this up!
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Hey, do I get to be a call-in guest? :)
 
JamesB said:
Hey, do I get to be a call-in guest? :)
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Dang, you know I was thinking I should ask if they wanted you to appear as well, but forgot. I don't know if they'll take calls during my segment--they didn't during my previous appearance on their show. You can participate by chatting here--just type in a name, city and state and submit query to enter the chat area.
 
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