Loose Change - Part III

[Pardalis]

As a friendly advice, I wouldn't do anything that could offend any Muslims these days.

 

[MarkyX]

As a friendly advice, I wouldn't do anything that could offend any Muslims these days.

What about The Usual Suspects? I got a few interesting Muslim emails on that one (even though I didn't make it!) saying that it's offensive or AQ weren't "real" muslims.

 

[Pardalis]

What about The Usual Suspects? I got a few interesting Muslim emails on that one (even though I didn't make it!) saying that it's offensive or they weren't "real" muslims.

Yeah but things have slightly changed since then... You know what I mean?

 

[MarkyX]

Yeah but things have slightly changed since then... You know what I mean?

Still, I'm a firm believer of Freedom of Speech and listening to all sides of the story as long as they provide evidence and entertaining.

And this video, which is actually from the History Channel, is pretty damn good at it.

I will probably upload this tomorrow.

 

[Pardalis]

Glad to have been of any help.

 

[gumboot]

Well looking at the video, they do show the reasons why an organization like AQ would be after the west, along with every other muslim. In fact, this entire video shows how exactly the anti-western Islamic movement began, including World War 2, the birth of Israel, and Russia.

A lot of CTs seem to believe that there is no reason for Muslims to go after the West, and this video does show a tale not often cited in the media.

From the title, I would assume it looks a lot at the Muslim Brotherhood, which really began this all. It's really quite fascinating to look into the Muslim Brotherhood and see just how much they have influenced the current situation. It's also quite interesting to see the people involved in the various terrorist activities under the umbrella of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the connections to Nazi Germany.

Take these three: Francois Genoud (manager of Nazi funds stolen off Jews and primary financier of Odessa), Youssef Nada (experience with Nazi Intelligence in WW2 followed by activities with the Muslim Brotherhood's para-military wing) and Ahman Huber (devout Neo-Nazi and Swiss-born convert to radical Islam). These three were the primary founders of the Al Taqwa Bank - a bank that was a primary funder of terrorist groups until it was shut down by Swiss Authorities post 9/11.

Then there's some of their ideological aims, announced fairly early on:

The 14 page dossier, entitled “The Project” details a strategic plan whose ultimate goal is “the establishment of the reign of God over the entire world.” The document begins, “This report presents a global vision of an international strategy of Islamic policy.” It recommends to “study the centres of power locally and worldwide, and the possibilities of placing them under influence,” to contact and support new holy war movements anywhere in the world, to support holy war in Palestine, and “nurture the sentiment of rancour with regard to Jews.”

Evidence suggests that these various terrorist groups stem from a common focus, encouraged by surviving Nazis, with very clear aims:

1) Destruction of the Jews and the Jewish state of Israel
2) Conversion of the entire world to their religion

Neither of these aims is in anyway related to "American foreign policy in the middle east".

I'm inclined to suspect that entire notion is part of their mission to "study the centres of power locally and worldwide, and the possibilities of placing them under influence" and “nurture the sentiment of rancour with regard to Jews”.

The great sadness is, to a great degree, said muslims HAVE succeeded in their goal. In Bosnia muslims were thoroughly seen as victims despite being as bad as the Serbs. In Palestine/Israel action by Islamic terrorists is excused and Israeli action condemned.

There is widespread acceptance in the west that Islamic outrage against the west is entirely justified.

It's a horrific realisation. They're winning. And people making films like "Loose Change" are quite clearly aiding the ambitions of "The Project".

Okay I'm going to stop now... putting all this stuff together is starting to scare me...

-Andrew

 

[JamesB]

What about The Usual Suspects? I got a few interesting Muslim emails on that one (even though I didn't make it!) saying that it's offensive or AQ weren't "real" muslims.

Why is it offensive? We didn't say that stuff, the terrorists did. Now not only does the West have to watch what it says to avoid offending Muslims, it has to be careful to avoid reporting what Muslims themselves say?

And who cares whether they are "real" Muslims or not. Nobody argues whether Catholic priests who molest children are "real" Catholics. That is the way they are behaving. Nobody is arguing that everyone of that faith is acting that way.

 

[Pardalis]

Okay I'm going to stop now... putting all this stuff together is starting to scare me...

Let's not fall in the conspiracy theory trap.

 

[gumboot]

Why is it offensive? We didn't say that stuff, the terrorists did. Now not only does the West have to watch what it says to avoid offending Muslims, it has to be careful to avoid reporting what Muslims themselves say?

I told you. They have gained control of our moral values. We're doomed.

-Andrew

 

[MarkyX]

Why is it offensive? We didn't say that stuff, the terrorists did. Now not only does the West have to watch what it says to avoid offending Muslims, it has to be careful to avoid reporting what Muslims themselves say?

And who cares whether they are "real" Muslims or not. Nobody argues whether Catholic priests who molest children are "real" Catholics. That is the way they are behaving. Nobody is arguing that everyone of that faith is acting that way.

THEY said it was offensive, not me.

But I am merely stating that people will get touchy either way. But you know what...too bad, history should not be blocked because someone else finds it 'offensive'

 

[MarkyX]

From the title, I would assume it looks a lot at the Muslim Brotherhood, which really began this all. It's really quite fascinating to look into the Muslim Brotherhood and see just how much they have influenced the current situation. It's also quite interesting to see the people involved in the various terrorist activities under the umbrella of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the connections to Nazi Germany.

BINGO. It is about the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[steve s]

When they say "Theater distribution" rather than "Theatrical distribution" I think they've given themselves an out when it plays at the local Pantages, that has been a Bingo Hall for 25 years, but used to be a theater. . .

I got that same impression. I can't imagine a major studio (or even a significant indie studio) backing such nonsense. They'd be opening themselves up to possible litigation with all the unsubstantiated claims it makes. What multiplex would show it without the backing of a studio.

Done deal? He said that about the showing at the British parliament. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I don't think "done deal" means what Dylan thinks it means.

Steve S.

 

[Pardalis]

THEY said it was offensive, not me.

But I am merely stating that people will get touchy either way. But you know what...too bad, history should not be blocked because someone else finds it 'offensive'

I agree we shouldn't be afraid to speak our minds, but it's also all about timing, and I mean this respectfully Marky, you got very bad timing.

Remember when you said nasty things about Quebecers, on June 24th? Well, the Middle East is literally on fire right now... Now is not the time.

ETA: Muslims are alot more touchy than Quebecers.

 

[SezMe]

There is widespread acceptance in the west that Islamic outrage against the west is entirely justified.

I don't agree. You have made a claim - can you substantiate it?

 

[gumboot]

I don't agree. You have made a claim - can you substantiate it?

Have you read the world section of a European newspaper in the last ten years?

-Andrew

 

[gumboot]

I agree we shouldn't be afraid to speak our minds, but it's also all about timing, and I mean this respectfully Marky, you got very bad timing.

I think we should call their bluff.

Remember how they reacted when a MUSLIM flushed his Koran (A Koran supplied by his western captors, nonetheless) down the toilet in a western prison? There were widespread riots. People DIED.

Such insanity is at such a peak, we really couldn't do any more damage.

I say we make a concerted thorough effort to offend them as much as we possibly can. Just to see what happens.

-Andrew

 

[JamesB]

THEY said it was offensive, not me.

But I am merely stating that people will get touchy either way. But you know what...too bad, history should not be blocked because someone else finds it 'offensive'

I know you didn't say that, but why did they say that?

 

[Pardalis]

I think we should call their bluff.

Remember how they reacted when a MUSLIM flushed his Koran (A Koran supplied by his western captors, nonetheless) down the toilet in a western prison? There were widespread riots. People DIED.

Such insanity is at such a peak, we really couldn't do any more damage.

I say we make a concerted thorough effort to offend them as much as we possibly can. Just to see what happens.

-Andrew

I have to disagree. It's because people die that we should use restraint and not aggravate them even more.

 

[SezMe]

Have you read the world section of a European newspaper in the last ten years?

Hmmm, you make a claim, I ask for some backing for that claim and your response is to ask me a question. Huh?

Your claim is important in this debate if it is true. So please provide some evidence for it. Thanks.

 

[SezMe]

I say we make a concerted thorough effort to offend them as much as we possibly can. Just to see what happens.

Do I understand your position correctly? The Middle East teeters on the brink of war. There is a religious fanatic in Iran funding terrorism throughout the region. Iraq is a mess. Afghanistan is slipping back into chaos. There are unsecured nuclear arms throughout the region with unprincipled fanatics anxious to get their hands on them.

And you want to poke the beehive "Just to see what happens"??????

This is a serious quesion: Are you serious?