Loose Change - Part III

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I heard a while ago that a single jet was scrambled. Unfortunately, forgot to bookmark the damn thing.

Anyone know where I can find the information?
 
Brainster said:
I'd point out that Zacharias Moussaoui recently became the first person convicted of complicity in the attacks, that Osama has confessed to his involvement on several occasions so far, most recently in the last month, and that the polls cited also indicate that among those most likely to agree with the request for another investigation are high school dropouts, while those least likely were college graduates, and that another investigation will not satisfy the kooks as it will come to the same conclusions as the last investigation.
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Also, the Zogby polls were written and funded by the 9/11truth.org and Jimmy Walter. They were not independent, impartial polls. The poll of New Yorkers was held on the eve of the Republican National Convention in NYC: the time when anti-Bush sentiment was strongest, and it included such leading statements as “the inexplicable and largely unreported collapse of the third WTC skyscraper.” Zogby issued a statement criticizing 9/11truth.org's interpretation of the May, 2006 poll results.
 
Anyone here (abby?) posting in Killtown's "ordnance plume" thread might want to link to this video of a B-52 crashing.

eta: BTW, the loosers response will probably be that it was full of bombs and that's what exploded into a mushroom cloud. Maybe let them go w/ that for a bit before revealing that this was a practice run for an air show, and happened at Fairchild AFB in Spokane, WA. You'll probably have to explain them that B-52's don't carry bombs in air shows or practices for air shows...
 
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MarkyX said:
I heard a while ago that a single jet was scrambled. Unfortunately, forgot to bookmark the damn thing.

Anyone know where I can find the information?
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If you're talking about US fighters on 9-11, look in the first chapter of the 9-11 Commission report.

Two were scrambled from Otis, two from Langley.
 
I guess Dylan et al were on with Eric Hufschmid (14 July) arguing over who is the shill in the truth movement. I have only listened to a small bit where host John Stadtmiller is defending Karl Schwarz, saying the reason why his multi-million dollar companies don't have minor little things like offices and receptionists, is because Karl is too busy travelling around Europe trying to sell his technology.

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt06.html

I'll have to do a SLC post on this later. These guys are hilarious. Is there anyone connected with this movement who isn't a complete nutball?
 
CurtC said:
He's changed his tune somewhat, and now is just saying that crash sites all smoke for hours on end, while UAL 93 wasn't smoking very much when most of the pictures were taken.
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Those CT'ers are sure quick to move the goalposts when proven wrong, but never, ever admit they're wrong. Funny that!
 
WildCat said:
Those CT'ers are sure quick to move the goalposts when proven wrong, but never, ever admit they're wrong. Funny that!
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Now come now WildCat, you're just not using that CT part of your brain. They know it was a CT, that is without question. All they are doing is trying to figure out the details.

You know the CT steps:

1. Reach conclusion
2. Find evidence.
3. Does evidence support conculsion?
4. No? go to 2.
 
johndoeX was asked about flight 77's circling maneuver just before it hit the Pentagon. After asserting that he had done a lot of study and that it was in a certain thread, then finding that it wasn't really posted there, he has come up with this as his guess of 77's flight path:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3800&view=findpost&p=6063420

I had accepted that he is/was a commercial pilot, but his guess is so completely, totally clueless that I can no longer keep from questioning his credentials.

He has the flight making an almost complete circle (at a fairly high speed presumably) with a diameter of about 1/4 mile. No wonder he's skeptical of whether this could be done!
 
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Hola brothers and sisters.

How goes the war on Sylvia Browne and Bigfoot? Are you winning yet?

Fight on people! I am considering going over to fight the evil and unjust, warlike Muslims with the empathetic and peaceful Israelis. :eek:
 
Hi KIWIWRITER

Wow Kiwi! Looks like we are neighbors! What exit you at Bro'?

Really get torqued off by the idiots who spout off all the idiotic nonsense
like

United 175 (or no plane at all) hit South Tower (WTC2) - considering fact
that 50 coworkers on the upper floors of my building watched it smash
into the building (if you seen UNITED 93 the scene where air traffic controllers
at Newark watch the plane hit is dead accurate - we were at the BAYWAY
oil refinery in Linden, just south of Newark) My boss came down stairs
to tell us what happened - lot of my coworkers were (and still are) in shock
from what they saw.

Over at SCREW LOSE CHANGE forum have some whackjob - KILLTOWN is
handle who is going on about why tail of AA77 didn't leave mark on
Pentagon (jeez figure 100 foot hole blown in side would be enough!)

Also ranting that United 93 did not crash (if ever existed), but that hole was
dug and aircraft parts dumped in to make look like crash.

HAve fantasy of getting some of these clowns in room, tieing to chair and
saying "Now Repeat after me ....." while hitting upside of head with 2X4

But I digress.
 
SBrown said:
Hola brothers and sisters.

How goes the war on Sylvia Browne and Bigfoot? Are you winning yet?

Fight on people! I am considering going over to fight the evil and unjust, warlike Muslims with the empathetic and peaceful Israelis. :eek:
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I fully realize that you have yet to answer a single question I've ever asked you, but call me an optimist. If you think that DavidJames is "psycho" (your word), what is your opinion of JohnDoeX, a person who has been caught saying things that flat out aren't true, typically writes 100+ posts a day, and writes like an uneducated juvenile?

Come on, you took the trouble to write a long posting basically admitting you needed to take a different approach in this forum and wanted a serious dialog here. In response, I agreed to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a second chance. Since then you've resorted to your previous habit of infantile sarcasm. Was that post just a sham? If so, exactly how can you possibly presume to be in any position to call anyone else a psycho?
 
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johndoeX was asked about flight 77's circling maneuver just before it hit the Pentagon. After asserting that he had done a lot of study and that it was in a certain thread, then finding that it wasn't really posted there, he has come up with this as his guess of 77's flight path:

I had accepted that he is/was a commercial pilot, but his guess is so completely, totally clueless that I can no longer keep from questioning his credentials.

He has the flight making an almost complete circle (at a fairly high speed presumably) with a diameter of about 1/4 mile. No wonder he's skeptical of whether this could be done!
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Curt, you're right of course, thats complete nonsense. I've just recreated the turn using Google Earth and comparing it to the widely accepted approach of AA 77 and I found that the turn was 5.1 miles in diameter and just the 180 segment covered about 9 miles, all told.
The turn rate of an airliner is typically 1.5 degrees a second. If AA77 made the 300 degree turn in 150 seconds, that works out to, obviously, 2.0 degrees per second, or just 33% faster than the autopilot system wouldve turned the airplane. The vertical speed rate was also quite normal. The 757 descended 7000' in the same span, working out to a -2800 fpm rate which is right on the numbers for a 757(which routinely descends at closer to 3000-4000 fpm during flight idle economy descents.)
If JDX is a pilot, he is either deluding himself or purposely trying to mislead others who see him as an expert.
 
MarkyX said:
Haha we are making Dylan Avery crack.

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/
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Only that first email is from somebody who lost someone on one of the planes - most of the rest are just from people who are asking for a DVD. Only a minority have actually seen the movie.
The plane that person was lost on was flight 77 - the one that hit the Pentagon. I wonder if this person is aware that most of the Loose Change crew don't believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? She's clearly in a fragile mental state and I don't think that seeing the dammed DVD is going to help her at all.
All the other people quoted who lost somebody, lost them in the WTC. The second-to-last one is quite interesting:
One of my best friends, C.M.P, died in the attacks. She worked for KBW, a brokerage firm. She was in the South Tower. She called her mom when the first plane hit & told her that she was told to stay in the office. Then the second plane hit. It hit under her so she had no chance of getting out. She called her mom again & told her what happened & that the walls were smoking & shaking, told her she loved her & the phone went dead.
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I wonder what the no-planes crowd will say to that?
Also, it's a reminder that there are no eye-witness reports of explosions inside the WTC from people trapped inside the Towers. They had time to talk to loved ones and many, like the one above, described conditions around them. But none of them appear to have noticed all that thermite/thermate going off in the walls and columns around them.

[CT]All the phone calls from inside the Towers were faked, by the same team that faked the calls from the planes[/CT]

Edited to fix typo.
 
Stellafane said:
If you think that DavidJames is "psycho" (your word)...
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Being called psycho by jenabell/SBrown is badge of honor, a silver arrow in my quiver, a lock of golden hair from the fairest maiden. It is the blackest, sootiest pot in the burnt oven calling, well, you get the point.

Thanks jen, be sure to take your meds and give my best to john.
 
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